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Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:56:08 PM

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Some great news recently.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/telecom-company-abandoning-georgia-after-sweeping-anti-gay-bill-passes-we-dont-tolerate-that-crap/

Telecom company 373K announced via Twitter that it will be leaving Georgia after their state Senate passed HP757 which extends legal cover state-wide to individuals and corporations to discriminate against LGBT people and same-sex couples.

I’m gay, our CFO is gay, we have people from every walk of life working here,” co-founder Kelvin Williams told NCRM on Saturday. “I’ve got Muslims, Buddhists, atheists here. We’ve got great Christians working for us. They’ve never thought of not serving anyone – that’s not the message of Christ.

We don’t tolerate that crap,” he added definitively.

373K Client Relations Manager Brian Greene told NCRM the company no longer feels comfortable paying taxes in Georgia.

373K isn’t the only firm to pull business out of a state that passed anti-gay legislation. Last year, SalesForce CEO Marc Benioff announced the cancellation of “all programs that require our customers/employees to travel to Indiana to face discrimination.” Other companies, like Nike, Apple, Fortune 500 member Cummins, Eskenazi Health, Eli Lilly and Co., and NASCAR, also condemned the law, according to NCRM.
Midobecker
Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 12:14:55 AM

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Bible belt can't be so intolerant. But, I do believe that this is done to distract people from what it's going on in America. They want to keep the evangelicals happy with stupid social measures while sticking it to them in their pocket.

Oh well, that's Georgia.
CoolSmooth
Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 1:17:39 AM

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Georgia Lawmakers need to Get Off their "High Horses" & let People of LGBT Companies alone. Get Real.
multichrom
Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 3:17:14 AM

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Well, the list of "States/Regions in the USA to visit" is getting shorter and shorter. Unfortunately, this is a quite common phenomenon, not only in the States.


Which leads me to the conclusion that my prediction I made a couple of years ago was wrong.
Mankind will not kill itself my weapons of mass destruction (for example the nuclear bomb) or polluting the environment. No! Mankind will extinct due to increasing stupidity.
TheParser
Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 5:36:55 AM
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multichrom wrote:
Well, the list of "States/Regions in the USA to visit" is getting shorter and shorter.





Some people also suggest boycotting certain countries, such as those in Africa and in the Middle East.

I have just read a fascinating article: Even though gay relations are illegal in Syria, the law is generally not enforced so long as gays maintain a low profile.

Of course, during the present civil war, the government has more pressing problems.

But before the current violence, Syria was very tolerant of all religions and probably gay people, too -- so long as they remained low-keyed.

On the brighter side, I have read that South Africa is very enlightened regarding gay rights. Because of the horrific violence in the country, however, some tourists are reluctant to visit.

Some people oppose boycotts (of states or of countries) because they hurt the people living there, not the government leaders.

Other people support boycotts because maybe the people will tell the leaders that they (the people) are suffering economically.

In my opinion, however, most ordinary tourists do not pay attention to boycotts. They go anywhere that interests them.

Maybe the boycott by large corporations, however, can quietly affect the decisions of governments.
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 8:39:06 AM

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The one that stuck out to me was NASCAR. All stereotypes aside, NASCAR knows their customer so for them to be on this list says quite alot.
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multichrom wrote:
Well, the list of "States/Regions in the USA to visit" is getting shorter and shorter. Unfortunately, this is a quite common phenomenon, not only in the States.


Which leads me to the conclusion that my prediction I made a couple of years ago was wrong.
Mankind will not kill itself my weapons of mass destruction (for example the nuclear bomb) or polluting the environment. No! Mankind will extinct due to increasing stupidity.


We may have moved beyond the nuclear option. Many now believe the next mass extinction will be due to biological weapons the likes of which would terrify most people. The release of billions of previously unknown viruses and bacteria from permafrost and rainforests may add to the possibility.

But the one after that? Sticks and stones.


Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 12:55:50 PM

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multichrom wrote:
Well, the list of "States/Regions in the USA to visit" is getting shorter and shorter. Unfortunately, this is a quite common phenomenon, not only in the States.

Which leads me to the conclusion that my prediction I made a couple of years ago was wrong.
Mankind will not kill itself my weapons of mass destruction (for example the nuclear bomb) or polluting the environment. No! Mankind will extinct due to increasing stupidity.


I agree that the US holds no monopoly on stupid. And with the instant gratification of Internet news and reporting we get to see stupid on display in all it's gory glory every day, and twice on Sundays. I was just trying to show that there are successes happening as well every day. We need to give ourselves a chance to feel good about these victories. We need to feel good about these victories, because if we don't we will begin to feel that there is no hope.
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Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 6:02:52 PM

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If you have never lived in the south you have no idea how intolerant those people can be. One of the first insults I received upon arriving there and telling them where I was from (Oregon), one said, "I bet you're glad to be away from that awful place!" I also feel that my religious beliefs, as well as what church I will or will not be attending, are no one's business but my own. I can count the friends I'd made in those 6 1/2 years on one hand and not use all the fingers and the closest two were both gay men.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
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There are still many countries where homosexualism is illegal, and two countries where homosexualism officially doesn't exist.
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:34:06 AM

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multichrom wrote:
Well, the list of "States/Regions in the USA to visit" is getting shorter and shorter.


There are states and regions that are not Tea-publi-con strongholds.
Romany
Posted: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 6:39:14 AM
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Prog -

I had always thought it was only a few Southern states which were reactionary? Nation-wide, surely, they feel the same as everyone else: after all, many gay Americans have brought about ground-shaking rules which have changed the laws of the land. And San Francisco, back in the day, sparked flames that spread all over the world. Surely (please?) it's only a small minority who have medieval thoughts about their fellow-humans? i.e. it's not indicative of a national mind-set?
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 7:10:04 PM

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Hi Romany.
You are correct in that the fundamentalist activists do not make up more than a single digit percentage of the US population. However, what has happened in the US is that the money behind them makes them politically powerful far beyond their numbers. That money forces local and state governments to toe their line.
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Posted: Thursday, February 25, 2016 7:31:52 PM

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It's the one percent/ten percent/ninety percent split.
With ninety percent of the wealth and power being held by the few at the top.

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A disrelated question progpen. Can you post me the link to the Economic/social mapping tool you used for your 'signature'. I had it and lost it, and now can't find the original thread that it came from. Thanks.
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Thursday, February 25, 2016 10:54:31 PM

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Hi Dragon. Yep, it's the Political Compass.
http://politicalcompass.org/
tunaafi
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Thanks. I come out as -7.25 on both. I can't say that I am surprised.
boney_friend
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 8:46:54 AM
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I am a Southerner of the USA. Have lived here most of my life except for stints in Pennsylvania and New York City. The South has its problems with race but today in 2016 things are quite different than it seems many of you suppose. There are still enough racist people here to criticize i.e. the Charleston Emmanuel Church murders of 9 people. But in reaction to that, churches and individuals are meeting to to insure that such as that will never happen again. The main thing we are working on now is background checks for gun ownership. Not the banishment of guns.
For much of my life, I have yearned to move on to another state (Massachusetts beckons) but I looked up one day and realized I was really too old to move (70). It is much harder to make friends when you are older and not going out all the time.
I don't have a deep seated love of my part of the country. It certainly has its low life and tacky people who still think as if they were living in the 1940's here. But the majority of people here in the South now are very aware of their past misjudgements and are trying to actively correct them.
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What a lovely little quiz. I came out as Economic Left/Right: -6.25 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31
Drag0nspeaker
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progpen wrote:
Hi Dragon. Yep, it's the Political Compass.
http://politicalcompass.org/

Thank you!

I come out at about -4.6 (left) and -4.0 (libertarian) - close to Ghandi's score.
thar
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Me too. Sheet and glasses. Odd, as I would not consider myself leftist at all - much more into individualism.
I thought it was maybe an American scale (where even having universal healthcare is a radical socialist idea)! But it seems to be British.
According to that, I am Plaid Cymru material. But I thought they were are genuinely nationalising, pro-welfare, old-fashioned socialists, not me at all. Oh, well, Iechyd da!

But, to devil's advocate the point (given that I believe same-sex marriage should have all the rights of any 'couple')
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It is a federal country - states are free to make some of their own laws. If people in one state (or many) feel that way, that is what they should legislate. There is democracy (I know, caveats about voter registration and suchlike - in which case address those issues). By all means don't go there. But to condemn them because of a law they have passed? You don't get to have democracy 'as long as everybody thinks the same way as me'.
Sometimes they don't!

(And if there is religious 'justification' so they 'know' they are right, good luck in educating them to believe anything different!)

As Gandhi most definitely would not have said -" "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." "

Re something honey friend said.
Corny, I know, but loving anywhere is not same as complacently believing it is a great place. It is believing it is worth fighting to make it a better place!


I know mine is an unfashionable view in this cynical world, but I believe America has been amazing in its change of attitudes.
From not that long ago when owning a person was normal in some places, and legally challengeable in others - to segregation and official discrimination within living memory, to legal equality and at least some black representation at the top of all professions; from homosexuality being an offence against nature, sin and crime, to acceptance of homosexual relationships in many places, and at least debates about legal rights.

If you think about the shifts in attitudes that must have required, the devastation of deeply-held 'worldviews', within one or two generations - I think it is pretty amazing. Far from perfect, but very, very far from the way things were. (Although I can't see a genuinely 'home-souced' black American being President any time soon. But Obama, as a white/African is still a big deal along that route.)
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Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:03:30 AM

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boney_friend wrote:
I am a Southerner of the USA. Have lived here most of my life except for stints in Pennsylvania and New York City. The South has its problems with race but today in 2016 things are quite different than it seems many of you suppose. There are still enough racist people here to criticize i.e. the Charleston Emmanuel Church murders of 9 people. But in reaction to that, churches and individuals are meeting to to insure that such as that will never happen again. The main thing we are working on now is background checks for gun ownership. Not the banishment of guns.
For much of my life, I have yearned to move on to another state (Massachusetts beckons) but I looked up one day and realized I was really too old to move (70). It is much harder to make friends when you are older and not going out all the time.
I don't have a deep seated love of my part of the country. It certainly has its low life and tacky people who still think as if they were living in the 1940's here. But the majority of people here in the South now are very aware of their past misjudgements and are trying to actively correct them.


Hi boney friend! I understand the concerns that you are bringing up. There is always the danger of making a region or state worse by isolating it financially or socially. In my personal case, my choosing who to do business with and who not to do business with is a moral choice in that I make so that I can at least feel that my money is not going toward a social or political cause that I feel is harmful. I feel that if enough people do this nationally, then the very same free market that fiscal conservatives tend to rely upon so heavily will result in those businesses either changing or going out of business to make room for others to take their place.

I don't believe boycotts do much good and in fact do very little to make long term progress. They are more of an easy way for people to latch onto something to be self-righteously indignant about without actually doing anything productive. I do think that when individuals pay attention to who and where their hard earned money is going, they will (hopefully) be more careful in who they give that money to.
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