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Daemon
Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:00:00 AM
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Teach us Delight in simple things,
And Mirth that has no bitter springs;
Forgiveness free of evil done,
And Love to all men 'neath the sun!

Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)
Xeslaster
Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:26:56 AM
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Daemon wrote:
Teach us Delight in simple things,
And Mirth that has no bitter springs;
Forgiveness free of evil done,
And Love to all men 'neath the sun!

Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)


Excellent! Sums up a good state of mind, but I'm sure most people rather misunderstand the meaning of love to all under the sun.

I believe that it's not that you let everything happen and love everything (good or bad), it is more that you approach everything with an open mind and enough care that even someone who is doing the worst of things can feel your compassion towards them. This is a much better alternative to ridicule and harsh words.

Also, very easily said, nearly impossible to be done. Gotta keep trying though!
thar
Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 5:16:05 AM

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Like he said, teach us. He never claims it can be attained, but even occasional success feels good.
Arymbs
Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 6:54:35 AM
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Those are valuable lessons to learn. Unfortunately, the modern society is bombarded by consumerism and self-gratification propaganda which harden feel pleasure in simple things, forgive abundantly and Love unselfishly. But, the better reward are harder to get so we're in vantage seeing from this point if view.
Hannie
Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 7:56:00 AM

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Arymbs wrote:
Those are valuable lessons to learn. Unfortunately, the modern society is bombarded by consumerism and self-gratification propaganda which harden feel pleasure in simple things, forgive abundantly and Love unselfishly. But, the better reward are harder to get so we're in vantage seeing from this point if view.


Said very well!
MTC
Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:11:24 AM
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This stanza from a longer poem called "The Children's Song" is a perfect example of why when reading Kipling we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater. The complete poem can be found at http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/childrens_song.html. The first two stanzas read:

Land of our Birth, we pledge to thee
Our love and toil in the years to be;
When we are grown and take our place,
As men and women with our race.

Father in Heaven who lovest all,
Oh help Thy children when they call;
That they may build from age to age,
An undefiled heritage.

This is nothing compared to "A Song of the White Men" which reads like Nazi propaganda. When we rightfully praise isolated passages from Kipling we should be aware of the less than laudable context.
Christine
Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:25:40 AM
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MTC wrote:
This stanza from a longer poem called "The Children's Song" is a perfect example of why when reading Kipling we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater. The complete poem can be found at http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/childrens_song.html. The first two stanzas read:

Land of our Birth, we pledge to thee
Our love and toil in the years to be;
When we are grown and take our place,
As men and women with our race.

Father in Heaven who lovest all,
Oh help Thy children when they call;
That they may build from age to age,
An undefiled heritage.

This is nothing compared to "A Song of the White Men" which reads like Nazi propaganda. When we rightfully praise isolated passages from Kipling we should be aware of the less than laudable context.


----Here is "A Song of White Men" (so we can judge it):

Now, this is the cup the White Men drink
When they go to right a wrong,
And that is the cup of the old world's hate--
Cruel and strained and strong.
We have drunk that cup--and a bitter, bitter cup--
And tossed the dregs away.
But well for the world when the White Men drink
To the dawn of the White Man's day!


Now, this is the road that the White Men tread
When they go to clean a land--
Iron underfoot and levin overhead
And the deep on either hand.
We have trod that road--and a wet and windy road--
Our chosen star for guide.
Oh, well for the world when the White Men tread
Their highway side by side!


Now, this is the faith that the White Men hold--
When they build their homes afar--
"Freedom for ourselves and freedom for our sons
And, failing freedom, War."
We have proved our faith--bear witness to our faith,
Dear souls of freemen slain!
Oh, well for the world when the White Men join
To prove their faith again!





GabhSigenod
Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:26:05 PM

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thar wrote:
Like he said, teach us. He never claims it can be attained, but even occasional success feels good.


Easier said than done, but worth a try.
ludic
Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:43:02 PM

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That's quote describes what paradise is like.
Arymbs
Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:47:41 PM
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Hannie wrote:
Arymbs wrote:
Those are valuable lessons to learn. Unfortunately, the modern society is bombarded by consumerism and self-gratification propaganda which harden feel pleasure in simple things, forgive abundantly and Love unselfishly. But, the better reward are harder to get so we're in vantage seeing from this point if view.


Said very well!


Thank you, Hannie!
Arymbs
Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:13:42 PM
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MTC wrote:
This stanza from a longer poem called "The Children's Song" is a perfect example of why when reading Kipling we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater. The complete poem can be found at http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/childrens_song.html. The first two stanzas read:

Land of our Birth, we pledge to thee
Our love and toil in the years to be;
When we are grown and take our place,
As men and women with our race.

Father in Heaven who lovest all,
Oh help Thy children when they call;
That they may build from age to age,
An undefiled heritage.

This is nothing compared to "A Song of the White Men" which reads like Nazi propaganda. When we rightfully praise isolated passages from Kipling we should be aware of the less than laudable context.


I agree with you, but that's not the case of commenting about the writer's work, but about just a passage written. Everybody has something good which is praiseworthy. In Kipling's case the stanza which was the quote of today.
Cat
Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 5:38:35 PM

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This is the line that stood out to me:

And Mirth that has no bitter springs

I like humor that is not at someone's expense and that's how I interpret this line.
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