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HWNN1961
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:46:38 PM
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There was a thread here on knighthood recently, I believe it was started by Daemon,

In the USA, 11/11 is called Veteran's Day, in an effort to make it a salute to all Veterans that defended us, from all wars.

Most other nations that sent waves of idealistic youth to bleed in the Great War, the 14-18 war, however you name it, call it Armistice Day

I say, that any person living or dead that fought in any war for right, for those that can't defend themselves, for the highest of purposes, even if the cause itself was ultimately gangrenous and manipulated by cynical and calculating cads avid for their own gain, are, and ought to be known as, Knights.

The gravestones are a uniform grey, weathered by time. Often the names are weathered to the point that they are illegible.

A soldier known but to God.

The stones don't hint at ethnicity, religion, color, political philosophy, wealth or social status.

The stone signifies one thing: here lies someone that laid down their life for the good of others.

This heartfelt appreciation extends to those once considered my enemy, who died in defense of their own land. Long ago, on strange shores.

Let's hope that politicians the world over limit such tragedy to utter necessity in future.

As King Theoden said after Rohan defeated the minions of Saruman at Helm's Deep:

Hail, the victorious dead!
excaelis
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:51:52 PM

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Applause Applause Applause
Maggie
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:50:03 PM
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"ultimately gangrenous and manipulated by cynical and calculating cads avid for their own gain"

This is a perfect description of Word War II to many on the left.
HWNN1961
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:03:24 PM
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Maggie wrote:
"ultimately gangrenous and manipulated by cynical and calculating cads avid for their own gain"

This is a perfect description of Word War II to many on the left.



Good grief Maggie, WWII is the one war that the most pacifist of liberals would point to to prove they weren't unrealistic pacifists!

What prompts such an opinion???
MarySM
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:51:00 PM
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I am proud to say my husband is a veteran and we are both proud to be Americans. Although we are both liberals, we are not opposed to defending this country when necessary.

I sincerely believe too many on the right (and some on the left) profess to be patriotic then proceed to cut funding for disabled veterans, programs for families of vets, and even funds for armor to protect our soldiers in battle. We need to remind our elected officials that our soldiers deserve better treatment.
Babezy
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:41:40 PM
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Thank you, thank you, thank you, from the depths of my heart, to the veterans who have kept us safe and free.

And another heartfelt thank you to all the members of the military who protect us in times of peace.

Words can't express my admiration and gratitude.
Maggie
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:11:30 PM
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HWNN1961 wrote:
Maggie wrote:
"ultimately gangrenous and manipulated by cynical and calculating cads avid for their own gain"

This is a perfect description of Word War II to many on the left.



Good grief Maggie, WWII is the one war that the most pacifist of liberals would point to to prove they weren't unrealistic pacifists!

What prompts such an opinion???


I don't understand the need to criticize one's country. But Our present president seems to get great personal pleasure from that. It's sad. So sad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_World_War_II
HWNN1961
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:27:43 PM
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The core of the movement was the Senate Republicans, but many Democrats were also isolationists. Isolationism was strongest in the Midwest with its strong German-American population.

Maggie,

That is from your link. Only lunatics on the fringe of society were against the war on Japanese aggression and Nazism. FDR, a favorite boogyman for several generations of conservatives, prepared us for this war and wanted it to come after all.

Thus, my confusion.
jcbarros
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:35:01 PM

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All wars are unjust not only for innocent people who die in them, but for the misery and suffering that follow. Only those who experienced that cataclysm can tell.
HWNN1961
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:49:09 PM
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jcbarros wrote:
All wars are unjust not only for innocent people who die in them, but for the misery and suffering that follow. Only those who experienced that cataclysm can tell.


Acting on this premise, that all wars are unjust:

What would you have done in the face of the Nazi war machine as it murdered and despoiled the planet?

Ask them over for tea?
jcbarros
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:00:05 PM

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You ´re not contradicting me. Sorry. WWII was unjust too. I forgot to say that they are sometimes inevitables.
Atiya
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:24:57 PM
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Soldiers are nations pride.
I really wish they are not forced into some unjust battles/wars for political gains.

HWNN, another good few lines from you. Applause
songbird6
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 8:31:05 AM
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Mark Twain's poem "War Prayer" is a blistering indictment of war motivated by delusory patriotism and religious fervor. No side wins!

http://warprayer.org/
Cat
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 9:34:55 AM

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The first time I visited Arlington National Cemetery, my lower jaw dropped and remained so for quite a while. The memory still has that affect on my jaw. Want to know what the number 58,159 looks like? Visit the Vietnam Memorial Wall. It's another jaw dropper.

Regardless of whether a war is "right" or not, people die and death is forever. Service men, in all countries, do a job that cowards, like me, don't want to do. I'm much more comfortable in my sweats, at my computer, pontificating about good and evil, right and wrong. Is there a god? What's the purpose of life? Is my punctuation correct? I've never had to face dying except maybe when I drive and a drunk driver could be out and about. I am a wimp! And so, I thank everyone who has fought and died, fought and lived, is currently in the wings but awaiting their cue. I am forever in debt to gallant knights (men and women) who are brave in the face of my cowardice.

To all service men and service women, thank you.Applause Applause Applause
Vickster
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 9:39:58 AM
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Every year I go to Applebee's for the free meal honoring Veteran's. But... I get evil looks and comment when I go.... isn't that sad?

Why you ask? Because I'm a female Vet. I fought just like everyone else, but while my son and I were being escorted to out table, an old man yelled out.."Veterans should be seated first!!!" Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut, but I turned around and looked the guy in the eyes and said, "I am a Veteran." funny thing was, his wife hit him and I over heard her say... "she is a Vet."

Then, I get to the table and the waitress asks to see my "papers" which I gladly showed... because I'm proud of what I did and she looked at them "forever" Now, two things... does she even know what a DD214 is? Secondly, did she ask every other Vet for ID? I left feeling very uncomfortable as if I was trying to "get a free meal and faking being a Vet." I thought about it and was disheartened by it. More and more woman are serving their country... When will people get it!!! Think
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Vickster, you are right to feel dismayed, however, now everyone who experienced the reality of a female veteran (in the restaurant) has learned the truth and will pass it on. Each time it will get easier. No one is perfect and some of us are less perfect than others. That's not an excuse for bad behavior though and he owes you, and all female veterans, an apology.

Thanks Vickster.Applause
AnthA1G
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 3:59:21 PM

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HWNN1961 wrote:
jcbarros wrote:
All wars are unjust not only for innocent people who die in them, but for the misery and suffering that follow. Only those who experienced that cataclysm can tell.


Acting on this premise, that all wars are unjust:

What would you have done in the face of the Nazi war machine as it murdered and despoiled the planet?

Ask them over for tea?


HWNN, I think you just proved his/her point. It was an unjust war. They all are. Why? Well, the Nazis were unjust and malevolent in every aspect you can think of. Then, when the U.S. entered the war, with very good reasons BTW, more innocents died. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have protected prosperity in the world. I guess what I'm trying to say is that war is war (no matter who started it). Hence war is a monster that should always be avoided.
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Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 5:04:25 PM
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War is hell. Keeping the peace is harder. The best way to keep the peace is to be so scary that no one wants to confront you and then show your benevolence.

I am proud to have served in the greatest military force ever assembled. I thank everyone of you who continue to make us strong!

Vickster, I'll bet that dumb SOB was one of those morons who spit on our soldiers returning from Vietnam. I like to think that there is a special hell for the likes of him. Thanks for your service. I served along with many good women and I don't see that being a female makes you any less of a vet.
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Funny thing that!

all these years after the Vietnam War and I have never met anyone who will own up to being and Anti-War

Protester. One of the spitters, or red paint throwers, or all those so honourable Conscientious Objectors.

They did more emotional damages to some of our soldiers, than their combat service did.

Every Returned Service man and woman are heros to me.
excaelis
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 6:54:57 PM

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I was not old enough to protest the war in Vietnam, but I'm quite sure I would have. However, protesting against a war and dishonouring those who were ordered into it are not the same thing. I never forget that every body bag contains someone's son or daughter and I pray that one will never hold my son.
Babezy
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 7:19:37 PM
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At basic training they asked if anyone was a conscientious objector. My uncle didn't know what that was, but he knew that being conscientious was a good thing, so he raised his hand. There was quite the kerfluffle till he understood what he'd done!
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Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 12:14:59 AM
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I, too applaud all those who come back from any war. Applause

I was in High School and this is a doubled-edged sword for me as I am one who was and still is anti-war. I wore a moratorium armband and protested at school against the Viet Nam war. I was also member of the group, Medical-Careers. Part of our responsibility was to volenteer at the department store, Emporium-Capwell's, and help families record messages to send to their loved ones overseas. I am not talking about fancy gadgets here - we used the old fashioned reel to reel tapes to record these messages to send to the soldiers in Viet Nam. I watched as mothers and fathers walked in to record messages to their sons. It was very sad but I felt good knowing I was helping somone hear a loved ones voice. But I disliked the war even more.

I was in the hospital when our congress approved of #43's actions. My friends protested in the streets of San Francisco and although I could not march, I was with them in spirit.

I just came back from the UK this past weekend. I travelled the rails and noticed in one station a bronze statue erected to all those men who had passed during the Great War as well as WWII. I looked at it and was sad but the statue looked back at me defient and proud.

The buying and wearing of red poppies is very big in the UK. It once was here as well. I have my poppy from the UK.
We, as a nation, do not remember or honour our fallen with poppies but with discounts and sales at the stores. Nor do we take care of our Veterans with the diginity they deserve.

I am still very much anti-war. I am also a firm believer that one should never celebrate the Fourth of July unless one has voted because so many gave their lives for that freedom as well.

I thank all those who were forced to or who chose to fight for my freedom of speech.

peace out >^,,^<

I have been a member for almost a year and this is my first post. I will get better.



excaelis
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Thanks for joining us at last, Kitten. Nice opening; you should have spoken up earlier. We need all the articulate posters we can get.
Atiya
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I can't welcome you as you were here before me but I welcome your post Kitten. We have a "cat" and now we have you ;-)

Raia Dalila
Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 12:36:52 AM
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Boo hoo! Pray ;
HWNN1961 wrote:
There was a thread here on knighthood recently, I believe it was started by Daemon,

In the USA, 11/11 is called Veteran's Day, in an effort to make it a salute to all Veterans that defended us, from all wars.

Most other nations that sent waves of idealistic youth to bleed in the Great War, the 14-18 war, however you name it, call it Armistice Day

I say, that any person living or dead that fought in any war for right, for those that can't defend themselves, for the highest of purposes, even if the cause itself was ultimately gangrenous and manipulated by cynical and calculating cads avid for their own gain, are, and ought to be known as, Knights.

The gravestones are a uniform grey, weathered by time. Often the names are weathered to the point that they are illegible.

A soldier known but to God.

The stones don't hint at ethnicity, religion, color, political philosophy, wealth or social status.

The stone signifies one thing: here lies someone that laid down their life for the good of others.

This heartfelt appreciation extends to those once considered my enemy, who died in defense of their own land. Long ago, on strange shores.

Let's hope that politicians the world over limit such tragedy to utter necessity in future.

As King Theoden said after Rohan defeated the minions of Saruman at Helm's Deep:

Hail, the victorious dead!
This is the typical politicaly correct discourse
redsxz
Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 1:15:39 AM
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Raia Dalila wrote:
Boo hoo! Pray ;
HWNN1961 wrote:
There was a thread here on knighthood recently, I believe it was started by Daemon,

In the USA, 11/11 is called Veteran's Day, in an effort to make it a salute to all Veterans that defended us, from all wars.

Most other nations that sent waves of idealistic youth to bleed in the Great War, the 14-18 war, however you name it, call it Armistice Day

I say, that any person living or dead that fought in any war for right, for those that can't defend themselves, for the highest of purposes, even if the cause itself was ultimately gangrenous and manipulated by cynical and calculating cads avid for their own gain, are, and ought to be known as, Knights.

The gravestones are a uniform grey, weathered by time. Often the names are weathered to the point that they are illegible.

A soldier known but to God.

The stones don't hint at ethnicity, religion, color, political philosophy, wealth or social status.

The stone signifies one thing: here lies someone that laid down their life for the good of others.

This heartfelt appreciation extends to those once considered my enemy, who died in defense of their own land. Long ago, on strange shores.

Let's hope that politicians the world over limit such tragedy to utter necessity in future.

As King Theoden said after Rohan defeated the minions of Saruman at Helm's Deep:

Hail, the victorious dead!
This is the typical politicaly correct discourse



And here is the typical douche espousing contrarian views for the sake of it.
Raia Dalila
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MarySM wrote:
I am proud to say my husband is a veteran and we are both proud to be Americans. Although we are both liberals, we are not opposed to defending this country when necessary.

I sincerely believe too many on the right (and some on the left) profess to be patriotic then proceed to cut funding for disabled veterans, programs for families of vets, and even funds for armor to protect our soldiers in battle. We need to remind our elected officials that our soldiers deserve better treatment.
The American soldiers are manipulated, innocents, naives young people, 19 years old who cant afford an education and think of going to the army in order to realize a noble purpose. Sacrified on the altar of a few rich unknownleged members of a Cartel like, not Patriotic politicians, who dont even studie Historie. when they are Educated, they have to give in... in order to save the next election of their own Party..Who are obliged to the Lobies of the most powerfull, for it takes millions to be elected. They are left to suicides, mental illnesses, troubled family that sometimes errupt in murder. As soon as they are wounded to a point that they cant serve anymore, they are descarded and left by_ at least The Son of Bush_ that week instrument who served a Machiavelic Plan, in existance years before he was shosen..to start this absurdity; Being the servant of the Likoud ultra-right party in Israel, responsable for inflaming the hatred wich caused the assasination of Prime Minister Ytsak Rabin. I have never seen so much destruction, not only material and Human, but the greatest crime against the Univers long woven cycles, is the harm to the very delicate fabric of cohabitation between so many different Religions, that have managed to cohabitate and love their fellow citizen, for as far away in time as Babylone in ancient Mesopotamia, each in his natural traditional territorie. Millions of Christians fled, after the last American Governement opened the gates of Hell in (Irak). That name the British gave Mesopotamia, after completely ignoring the divises and natural boundaries. Tribes natural habitat they have established for themselfs since hundreds of centurys. Because of Oil.
Alias
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Lest We forget that sending our young men and women off to useless wars should never happen..When there is no choice so be it but most wars are driven by peope who benefit from using us as cannon fodder. No offence to those who have lost family and friends as a result of war ...let their sacrifice not be in vain

During the Conservative Howard Government years in Australia 1996 - 2007 it was very disturbing to see how effective the Tories were in fueling the rise of Jingoism along wth Monarchism, retrogressive White, British, conservative christian cultural dominance......linking those anachronistic values with "Australian" identity and the glorification and justification of war as necessary to preserve that "identity" .......essentially cultural propaganda to manipulate the populace in to supporting the middle East Oil Wars..., and paternalistic policies toward Aboriginal Australians at home.....

This is not to question noble motives of most of those that have willingly fought ...and the value of those who were conscripted...

The question is how a war was started and is perpetuated....Evidence suggests for example that WW1 (The Great War) was triggered by a misunderstanding....the assasination of Arch Duke Ferdinand..It escalated for other reasons..

It can be reasonably argued that the social and political cirumstances created in Germany as a result of WW1 ledto the rise of Fascism and ultimately to WW2....

A Gross oversimplification I know but in attemept to illustrate how war is never the best option and how war perpetuates war......

To draw it out further I would suggest that the conditions that led to the Vietnam War came about as a result of French Colonialism and exploitation...when the French left Vietnam the situation was ripe socially and politically for a civil war...

American involvement excarcerbated the war and the whole region became involved..destroying millions of Vietnamese and poisoning the Jungles (and many of their own soldiers with Agent Orange) saturation bombing the tiny economically poor nations of Cambodia and Laos .....???? Millions of Viet, Lao and cambodian ordinary people werekilled and injured, their countries and livelihoods decimated...Thousands of American and ANZUS soldiers killed, injured or psychologically damaged.... To what end??

The North prevailed...It didnt prevent Communism being installed in Vietnam .....It didnt stop Laos from shrinking in to obscurity..It didnt prevent Pol Pot from taking Cambodia back to year zero and committting one of the most insidious massacres of its own population ever known...effectively wiping out the social,cultural and educational infrastrusture eliminating most of the best and brightest of their people....then ironically to have it stabilise under the Vietnamese backed government later(I am not promoting anyone here just illustrating the craziness of war and its outcomes)

And did the region, SE Asia countries "fall like dominoes" to the Red Menace as the US claimed as justification for their intervention in the first place...lets see. Who went Red?
Thailand....No..still a monarchy with elected Governments....Burma...Certainly Not!...quite the opposite..from a potential open democracy to a miltary Junta run, closed Autocracy.. Laos..No...Malaysia...No....Singapore...No....Indonesia...No..PNG..No... East Timor ..No
Even Vietnam while it is not a democracy is still trading with the West and is more open than Burma...!!!!

War comes from within us and is fueled by our thinking, attitudes and behaviour....Peace can only come from within us as a result of our thinking, attitudes and behaviour.

Acknowledging those who have suffered as a result of war or representing their country is admirable and completely relevant and a healthy way to behave, culturally, emotionally and individually and collectively....

To harness that grief and sentiment to glorify war, promote Jingoistic notions of State and Country and for political and economic gain is reprehensible.

Using these occasions to find ways to avoid repeating the madness of war and conflict and to promote a peaceful nation and world is the mark of a rational, mature people whose attitudes, thinking and behaviour will influence and encourage more sane, balanced outcomes in our own lives and those of others both here and abroad.

In Oz and UK 11th November is also known as Rememberance Day....








kitten
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I say, that any person living or dead that fought in any war for right, for those that can't defend themselves, for the highest of purposes, even if the cause itself was ultimately gangrenous and manipulated by cynical and calculating cads avid for their own gain, are, and ought to be known as, Knights.



I have never seen so much destruction, not only material and Human, but the greatest crime against the Univers long woven cycles, is the harm to the very delicate fabric of cohabitation between so many different Religions, that have managed to cohabitate and love their fellow citizen, for as far away in time as Babylone in ancient Mesopotamia, each in his natural traditional territorie.........................Because of Oil.


The co-habitation between so many different religions changed centuries ago. The Gods and Goddesses once worshiped have long gone by the wayside and are kept alive today by a chosen few. Man has always fought one another and subjugated one another for a piece of land, spite, because they can, and because they have to be the top dog. They want what isn't their's to begin with because they want it for pride's sake, braggng rights if you prefer.

Who is the one who has done the greater harm here? The one who has for centuries fought not knowing they had a sea of black gold below their feet? Or when finding out they did - enriched those at the top and kept their own kinsman even poorer?

We as nation, nay as world chose not to live within our means and decided that our needs were more important so that all were willing to send their young to protect, defend and hopefully subjugate the rightful owners and obtain this black gold.

There are many wrongs in this argument but the biggest myth and wrong is that we have been told that we can and indeed should have it all. We have been told that we don't need to live within boundries and that is why our children as well as their children are dying. Who's land is it? Who had the RIGHT to give it away? Who is is paying the price in the end?

The Middle East has been this way for centuries. They have their own laws and rules which to us, now seem antiquated, but were once accepted and indeed practised by many in the world.

If we, as a world, were willing to change certain aspects of our lives then perhaps there would be no need to send our children out to be killed for the black gold in a land that isn't ours and doesn't rightfully belong to us to begin with.

Again, I do not believe in war but I thank those who sacrifice themselves, so I may speak freely. peace out. >^,,^<
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Hi kitten! Cat here. I grew up in San Francisco, is that the "city by the bay" you refer to in your location?

Anyway, on to my post:

I don't like war, however, if I were to say "I don't believe in war" that's like saying I don't believe there's a bus about to run me over if I don't move.

As humans get more and more civilized, our method of warfare will also civilize.

My soon-to-be-ex-husband doesn't hit me physically, he hits with words. More civilized, yes, but still warfare.

War is not necessary but is a means to an end. The end being control. Control the urge to control and you have a remedy. Dancing Since testosterone is behind a lot of the aggression, we could castrate all males. However, that would result in an end to humanity and that's what we're trying to avoid. Besides, it would hurt.

So, how to control controlling leaders?

I suggest chess matches between political leaders. One has to have a modicum of intelligence to play chess in the first place, so that would increase the intelligence of politicians right off the bat. No one would die, be wounded, or have to be away from their families. And unlike playing Risk (a world dominance game) success is not determined by the roll of dice. I prefer this to nuclear bombs also, if we're going to have to deal with nuclear fall out let's at least get some electricity from it.

I'm rambling. Sorry.
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Thank a soldier for the right of Free Speech and all the post above.

By all means Protest against war, but never against the soldiers, the protester of the Vietnam War got it all wrong by attacking the men coming home.

Get in the faces of Politicians & Government, if you must, as they are the employers.

The Red Flanders Field Poppies represent, the Red Petals of the blood shed by so many and the Black Centre as Death.

I wear them proudly, for its a Free country, thank another soldier!
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Vickster wrote:
Every year I go to Applebee's for the free meal honoring Veteran's. But... I get evil looks and comment when I go.... isn't that sad?

Why you ask? Because I'm a female Vet. I fought just like everyone else, but while my son and I were being escorted to out table, an old man yelled out.."Veterans should be seated first!!!" Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut, but I turned around and looked the guy in the eyes and said, "I am a Veteran." funny thing was, his wife hit him and I over heard her say... "she is a Vet."

Then, I get to the table and the waitress asks to see my "papers" which I gladly showed... because I'm proud of what I did and she looked at them "forever" Now, two things... does she even know what a DD214 is? Secondly, did she ask every other Vet for ID? I left feeling very uncomfortable as if I was trying to "get a free meal and faking being a Vet." I thought about it and was disheartened by it. More and more woman are serving their country... When will people get it!!! Think


I know plenty of women in the military, some of them are family. My mom is a former Army Vet Tech, she never served in the war because she got out after she found out she was pregnant with my older brother, but she was going to if she wasn't pregnant. One of my Venture Leaders is a Navy Vet, I don't know exactly what she did, but I know she lived in a ship. I too want to join the military as a medic (Air Force or Army, still haven't decided which service). Both of my parents are proud that I want to join the service.
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Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 12:54:37 PM

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Vickster wrote:
Every year I go to Applebee's for the free meal honoring Veteran's. But... I get evil looks and comment when I go.... isn't that sad?

Why you ask? Because I'm a female Vet. I fought just like everyone else, but while my son and I were being escorted to out table, an old man yelled out.."Veterans should be seated first!!!" Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut, but I turned around and looked the guy in the eyes and said, "I am a Veteran." funny thing was, his wife hit him and I over heard her say... "she is a Vet."

Then, I get to the table and the waitress asks to see my "papers" which I gladly showed... because I'm proud of what I did and she looked at them "forever" Now, two things... does she even know what a DD214 is? Secondly, did she ask every other Vet for ID? I left feeling very uncomfortable as if I was trying to "get a free meal and faking being a Vet." I thought about it and was disheartened by it. More and more woman are serving their country... When will people get it!!! Think


with you all the way, you can hold your head up high, some people are just ignorant x
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Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 12:59:45 PM

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Cat wrote:
Hi kitten! Cat here. I grew up in San Francisco, is that the "city by the bay" you refer to in your location?

Anyway, on to my post:

I don't like war, however, if I were to say "I don't believe in war" that's like saying I don't believe there's a bus about to run me over if I don't move.

As humans get more and more civilized, our method of warfare will also civilize.

My soon-to-be-ex-husband doesn't hit me physically, he hits with words. More civilized, yes, but still warfare.

War is not necessary but is a means to an end. The end being control. Control the urge to control and you have a remedy. Dancing Since testosterone is behind a lot of the aggression, we could castrate all males. However, that would result in an end to humanity and that's what we're trying to avoid. Besides, it would hurt.

So, how to control controlling leaders?

I suggest chess matches between political leaders. One has to have a modicum of intelligence to play chess in the first place, so that would increase the intelligence of politicians right off the bat. No one would die, be wounded, or have to be away from their families. And unlike playing Risk (a world dominance game) success is not determined by the roll of dice. I prefer this to nuclear bombs also, if we're going to have to deal with nuclear fall out let's at least get some electricity from it.

I'm rambling. Sorry.


Cat - you are not rambling, your ideas are spot on. p.s. physical abuse and mental abuse are abuse period. I hope you had the courage to walk away like I did - somehow the mental abuse hurt much worse x
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Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 7:16:06 PM
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Hello Cat,

Yes, I'm in San Francisco so often referred to by, Heab Caen, as "Baghdad by the Bay." Calling it that now has gone by the wayside since his passing. So, 'city by the bay,' it is.


Cat - that is not rambling. That is known as 'breaking the circle.' Abuse is abuse be it mental or physical. And breaking the circle is a big step. Well, done.

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