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hrylav
Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:54:01 AM
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please tell me if the following sentence is correct.

'Where are these groups fetched from?'

Thanks
MarySM
Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 6:47:52 AM
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The word "fetched" is not necessary in this sentence and should be removed. The sentence makes sense wihout it "where are these groups from?"

The word "fetched" means to bring back from somewhere. It is not commonly used in the area where I live, but might be used to say something like "my dog fetched the stick."
Ravindra
Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:12:20 AM
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MarySM is right. The word 'fetched' is not required here.
Where from are these groups?
tiggr
Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:31:34 AM
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Ravindra wrote:
MarySM is right. The word 'fetched' is not required here.
Where from are these groups?

Perhaps "From where" rather than "Where from"?
boneyfriend
Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:25:34 PM

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Try not to end a sentence with a preposition. It is called a dangling preposition. A preposition always needs an object. As tiggr stated, you would say "From where are these groups fetched?' But I have no idea what that means.
Fetch as in to bring means go get, go and get, go to get, go after, go for, call for pick up, obtain, procure, secure, bring back, retrieve, chase after, run after, things like that.
thar
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:05:36 AM

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if you are being a good grammarian and not ending with a prepostion, you should also use the correct preposition..

From whence come these groups?

fetch is transitive, someone fetched these groups. I don't think that is what you mean here.

it is also used as slang/dialect intransitively, but avoid that if you are trying to speak standard English..

my friend fetches from Liverpool = he comes from Liverpool. slang only.
hrylav
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:15:02 AM
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Thanks to all for you valuable replies. The 'group' here means a set of data, so it has to be fetched. So we have to say 'From where are these groups fetched?' correct?

Also, the meaning for 'whence', is given as 'From what/where'. is 'from' implicit here? can we use 'from' before 'whence'?
mohican
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:10:39 AM
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In my opinion, the verb 'fetch' is used here in a sarcastic way and has something to do with its archaic nominal meaning: a trick, stratagem.
thar
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:15:38 AM

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you could use
whence come these groups, but is sounds seriously Shakepearean! If you are talking computing I don't think too many people would complain at

where are these groups fetched from?
or
From where are these groups fetched?
excaelis
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:28:40 AM

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Perhaps retrieved ( as in data retrieval ) would be a better option :

From where are these groups retrieved ?
Apple Blossom
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:10:03 AM
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"What is the source of this data?"
GeorgeV
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"... to fetch a pail of water ..."
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