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wercozy
Posted: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:14:58 PM
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To me, it means a whole lot of people, along time ago, were brainwashed to believe that happiness, joy, and personal freedom was something to fear; and anyone experiencing happiness, joy and personal freedom was subjected to the most cruel and inhumane punishment.
Tovarish
Posted: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:19:53 PM
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No drinking, swearing, smoking or naughty men.

If it looks good, smells good and tastes good, then don't eat it.

Fellow TFD members, you may have heard it here first!

This is NOT a dress rehearsal.
limn
Posted: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:24:43 PM
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I think of an excessively prudish sect of Christian who take the concept of self-restraint too far when references are made to them and the influence Puritans have had on American culture.
excaelis
Posted: Monday, November 1, 2010 11:39:42 AM

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The uneasy suspicion that somebody, somewhere is enjoying themselves.
wercozy
Posted: Monday, November 1, 2010 1:23:15 PM
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How in the world did this type of religion ever become popular? Surely, this type of Protestant sect didn't attract thinkers, movers, and shakers. So what type of people were they? Obviously, they were followers, maybe not so bright? Maybe sensory deprivation was better than starvation, being cold, and alone? Gee, are we humans willing to accept any type of treatment just to stay alive? I know some women who are like this. Makes me want to wave my hand in front of their face and say, "hey, snap out of it."
excaelis
Posted: Monday, November 1, 2010 2:00:15 PM

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Historically 'Puritans' in the sixteenth/seventeenth century were those who wished to 'purify' the Church Of England of the taint of ' Popery ' and make it a true protestant, National church. And don't kid yourself, some of the leaders of the movement were among the foremost thinkers, movers and scholars of their age. Actually the Shakers were a sect of the Puritan movement.
Dreamy
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 5:16:38 AM

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excaelis wrote:
Historically 'Puritans' in the sixteenth/seventeenth century were those who wished to 'purify' the Church Of England of the taint of ' Popery ' and make it a true protestant, National church. And don't kid yourself, some of the leaders of the movement were among the foremost thinkers, movers and scholars of their age. Actually the Shakers were a sect of the Puritan movement.

Well said, excaelis. The Church of England tends to be very impure on some fronts. Accusations and criticisms are always levelled at those who are different in some way. Christ was sinless and look at the treatment He received.
Epiphileon
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 1:20:35 PM

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Anachronism
excaelis
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 1:24:00 PM

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Epiphileon wrote:
Anachronism


Those are the ones who refuse to be on time, right ?
Epiphileon
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 1:29:28 PM

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excaelis wrote:
Epiphileon wrote:
Anachronism


Those are the ones who refuse to be on time, right ?


Sure you could say such are chronologically challenged, but more like centuries so rather than portions of an hour so.
Jeech
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 4:27:29 PM
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Let's look in what future have for us:

Abolitionism

Dreamy
Posted: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 3:35:10 AM

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Jeech wrote:
Let's look in what future have for us:

Abolitionism


The quest for heaven on earth continues...
Vickster
Posted: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 9:18:54 AM
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My Grandmother was a puritan...and I loved her dearly.... yes, she was strict but a lovely person and very giving. There is nothing wrong with a person who stands by there belief that swearing, drinking, smoking and naughty men are bad... They are in fact bad.. swearing hurts people feelings, drinking can cause health issues and in certain circumstance kill people, smoking kills...final. And naughty men...while the time spent with them might be fun... they are still arrrogant jerks who abandon woman. To live a clean honest life, caring about the people around you is not bad... and maybe if there were more people with stricter beliefs about caring for oneself and others, there wouldn't be so much hate and death in this world... IMHO
chiya
Posted: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 2:03:53 PM
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Why do people always relate it with religion?
we do what we feel is good/right for us,and don't what we think is not.What has religion got to do with it? I used to think it's more of a social thing.Think
Dreamy
Posted: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 4:45:54 PM

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chiya wrote:
Why do people always relate it with religion?
we do what we feel is good/right for us,and don't what we think is not.What has religion got to do with it? I used to think it's more of a social thing.Think

There is a perception that if someone does not indulge in what "religion" defines as "sinful" then they must be religious.

However, based on the derived meaning of the word religion a person that habitually gets drunk, or stoned on drugs, or gambles, or worships their idols etc., is practising their religion. They are doing these things religiously. Hardline atheists who seize every opportunity to push their belief that there is no God are practising their chosen religion.

Christ actually had big problems with the religious people of His day. The Pharisees and Sadducees worshipped the laws and traditions of their religion without a concern for the moral values they were supposed to impart. This is called "legalism" and it is still prevalent among many professing Christian churches today.

I would advise anyone interested in the truth to develop their relationship with God through His Son as revealed to us in the Bible, rather than become bound by a ritualistic religion based on legalism and uninspired tradition.
Pastor Sam
Posted: Thursday, November 4, 2010 5:31:04 AM
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[color=darkblue]Puritanism is to live an idealistic sense of sanctity. God call us to live a plentifull life. All extremes are bad. What please our God is not puritanism, but integrity.
excaelis
Posted: Thursday, November 4, 2010 12:49:12 PM

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Nicely put, Pastor Sam. Welcome aboard.
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Posted: Thursday, November 4, 2010 7:24:23 PM
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The Puritans have gotten a bad rap, and unjustly so. They were neither haters of pleasure nor prudes. Many of them had descended from Anglicans who had suffered at the hands of an unstable British government and oppressive religious controls, and were seeking a new world where they could practice freely their beliefs and live out their convictions. Rather than being a bunch of mindless and uneducated prudes, they were the most educated people of their day. They knew that true freedom is practiced in a lifestyle of constraint so that pleasure would not become an idol. Before we start condemning them for believing in virtue and in divine truth, maybe we ought to look around at our society today where most people are enslaved to some kind of god that demands constant sacrifice--such as drugs, alcohol, sex, food, entertainment, greed, narcissism, etc. Those who promise freedom today are slaves of their own desires. The Puritans would weep for the slavery so many are in today. Don't despise them or pity them without reading them. You might have a hard time reading them (because they are far smarter than most of us today), but you might find their writing enjoyable also.
Dreamy
Posted: Friday, November 5, 2010 12:45:28 AM

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Pastor Sam wrote:
[color=darkblue]Puritanism is to live an idealistic sense of sanctity. God call us to live a plentifull life. All extremes are bad. What please our God is not puritanism, but integrity.

Hi Sam. I have two questions for you.

How would a realistic sense of sanctity differ from the alleged idealistic sense of a Puritan?

Is the using of "Pastor" as a title by anyone evidence of their realistic sanctity?
Vickster
Posted: Friday, November 5, 2010 7:57:39 AM
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thank you caboose... well said..
Jeech
Posted: Sunday, November 7, 2010 10:50:27 AM
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We cannot fully iluminate suffering from our lives becuase of our nature. We are an ungratful nature of spieces. Happyness is inside-out kind of stuff while we keep blaming others/things and environments. That's why religion suggests to embrace suffering, and somehow it helps to learn the real happiness, inside out.
spotted pony
Posted: Monday, November 22, 2010 11:29:42 AM
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I understand the Puritans believed in keeping the word of God pure, & this meant for them that they had to run the government to keep that pure. They tried to take over Britain, making government subordinate to their religion, they could not, so they cried 'no religious freedom here' & came to America to take over a government. They believed also that people were taken over by Satan, & Satan had to be exorcised from you by any means necessary, even to the point of your death. Puritans are the people who brought us the Salem Witch Trials. Their government in Massachusetts Bay Colony was harsh & repressive. Many ran away to found other colonies like Connecticut & New Hampshire to get away from Puritans. Colony members who ran off into the woods to live with Indians was a problem as well.

I am being brief here, what I have learned of Puritans shows me that even tho what they wrote was benign, the way they practiced their beliefs was quite harsh toward others. Basically, Christianity at its worst.
kitten
Posted: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:50:36 PM
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Colony members who ran off into the woods to live with Indians was a problem as well.

For whom was the aforementioned a problem?

peace out >^,,^<

Wanderer
Posted: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:17:00 PM

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There were several different schools of thought among the Puritan people. To say that they had no joy in their lives and were only cruel isn't true. Benjamin Franklin was a puritan and he certainly wasn't a prude. There was a wide spread phenomena of witch burning all across Europe and the Colonies in the late 17th century but it wasn't all the people all the time. I would think that they were devout as many in other religions are today. It was a culture and these problems were exposed and dealt with in this country. It isn't easy the road to enlightenment but they did set us on a road toward it.
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