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lexx
Posted: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:16:42 AM
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for a non-native english speaker, this still puzzles me.

at the end of a sentence there's the " if you will.."

what does it mean really?

if you will what?????



i presume, it's another form of:


if you like?
as you wish?
if that suits you?


please enlighten, thanksAnxious
thar
Posted: Friday, September 24, 2010 4:13:16 AM

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yes, it is a modifying statement, from 'will' meaning wish (I will this to happen)

sometimes it is 'what you want'
"throw me out if you will, I will just come back"

But it is not about 'does that suit you'. it is more, 'that is what I think' or 'in other words'

11.They are, if you will, this country's governing body.

source http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000138.html

means 'in other words'. It is commonly used like this, to say something is not clear fact but an opinion or inference.
Sort of 'is this OK with you, I hope you agree with me, that is my opinion'

Babezy
Posted: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:48:08 AM
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I think it could also mean, "if you will accept this definition," as in "It was a sort of weapon, if you will."
thar
Posted: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:57:23 AM

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Babezy wrote:
I think it could also mean, "if you will accept this definition," as in "It was a sort of weapon, if you will."


Yeah, I think basically that was what I was trying to say. It just takes the edge off stating something too arrogantly.
MaWeTok
Posted: Friday, September 24, 2010 10:17:27 AM
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thar wrote:
Babezy wrote:
I think it could also mean, "if you will accept this definition," as in "It was a sort of weapon, if you will."


Yeah, I think basically that was what I was trying to say. It just takes the edge off stating something too arrogantly.


I agree, Babezy and thar. This was a favorite device of my Mother's to soften the punch. ;-)
Darkdread
Posted: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:27:09 PM
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This reminds me of a line from the movie "Legends of the fall" (1994) where Brad Pitt says something like: "I'm going to marry her if she'll have me". I suppose it's a variation of "if she accepts me" or "if she wants", etc
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