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Hope123
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2021 8:10:14 PM

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The COVID-19 pandemic is intricately linked to biodiversity loss and ecosystem health - The Lancet

The Covid - 19 Pandemic is linked to biodiversity loss and ecosystem health



Anthropogenic drivers of zoonotic disease emergence -

Multiple human-mediated environmental changes and activities have been found to be key drivers of zoonotic disease emergence, promoting the conditions in which zoonoses can emerge. Such drivers include, for example, land-use change, intensive livestock production, wildlife trade, and anthropogenic climate change, all of which have been linked to multiple zoonotic disease outbreaks in humans.
...Simultaneously, governments have been striving to mitigate the inevitable economic, social, and political repercussions of these restrictions, delivering fiscal packages directed toward individuals, as well as public and private sectors. This suite of COVID-19-related activity has broad direct and indirect effects on biodiversity loss and ecosystem health. Identifying the diverse repercussions of such effects is important for better understanding how they might feed back into the drivers of zoonosis emergence and re-emergence (appendix pp 11–21). Many of these effects could further promote the drivers of zoonotic spillover, hence, reinforcing a feedback loop further contributing to the rising trend of disease emergence.
...Efficient actions are urgently required to address the pandemic's direct and indirect threats to biodiversity and ecosystems to prevent the aggravation of the drivers of zoonotic disease, including land-use change, wildlife trade, intensive livestock production, and climate change.


...Hepburn and colleagues identified five fiscal recovery models that have high potential to adequately address both economic multiplier effects and climate effect criteria in the context of COVID-19 recovery. These include: (1) natural capital and ecosystem service restoration and resilience; (2) clean energy infrastructure; (3) efficiency-retrofits for buildings; (4) clean technology research and development; and (5) education and training to address COVID-19-related unemployment and decarbonisation shifts..




So we created the conditions to allow these viruses to emerge and then while trying to deal with and stop the pandemic, some of the policies used actually had repercussions creating a feedback loop that makes it favourable for the emergence of new diseases.

And many countries are still dealing with anti any-measures such as masks, social distancing, and even vaccination that would actually control the spread and stop the lockdowns and cancellations of projects that are beneficial to humans and the environment.

Do the suggestions to help economic recovery and the environment as well give you hope? Or are you pessimistic knowing the human animal?

( Especially with all the pushback, misinformation, (it is NOT the flu, vaccines do not cause infertility, although Covid may, getting the disease itself does not give full immunity especially to variants so vaccination as well is urged, etc.) threats, protests, and violence after anything connected to this pandemic was made out to be political.)




Struthio Camelus
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2021 10:01:42 PM

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A person may be smart - people are dumb, panicky animals.
Wang Yirun (Gesps)
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2021 7:07:51 AM

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Struthio Camelus wrote:
A person may be smart - people are dumb, panicky animals.
what do you
mean?
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2021 8:18:37 AM

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Admitting it's anthropogenic seems to be a step in the right direction, if we want to get to the bottom of it. And at least some of us do, certainly.
The timing was exceptional anyway.
Struthio Camelus
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2021 1:11:55 PM

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Wang Yirun (Gesps) wrote:
Struthio Camelus wrote:
A person may be smart - people are dumb, panicky animals.
what do you
mean?

Crowds of people (especially entire populations) are dangerous in both the long- and short-term.
FounDit
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2021 3:23:14 PM

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In my opinion, the medical community has once again shown us that it no longer deserves our trust. Anyone who believes this article in the Lancet is without hope. None of the suggested remedies would have ANY effect whatsoever except to give more power to those who are already drunk on its excess. And as any thinking person well knows by now, Covid-19 was created in a lab in Wuhan, China using the SARS-2 virus.
Lotje1000
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2021 3:33:08 PM

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FounDit wrote:
In my opinion, the medical community has once again shown us that it no longer deserves our trust. Anyone who believes this article in the Lancet is without hope. None of the suggested remedies would have ANY effect whatsoever except to give more power to those who are already drunk on its excess. And as any thinking person well knows by now, Covid-19 was created in a lab in Wuhan, China using the SARS-2 virus.


I see you bring forth your usual amount of peer-reviewed evidence to back up your opinion.
Wang Yirun (Gesps)
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2021 9:50:26 PM

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Struthio Camelus wrote:
Wang Yirun (Gesps) wrote:
Struthio Camelus wrote:
A person may be smart - people are dumb, panicky animals.
what do you
mean?

Crowds of people (especially entire populations) are dangerous in both the long- and short-term.
oh, yes
Wang Yirun (Gesps)
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2021 9:52:08 PM

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FounDit wrote:
In my opinion, the medical community has once again shown us that it no longer deserves our trust. Anyone who believes this article in the Lancet is without hope. None of the suggested remedies would have ANY effect whatsoever except to give more power to those who are already drunk on its excess. And as any thinking person well knows by now, Covid-19 was created in a lab in Wuhan, China using the SARS-2 virus.
errrrr, but there is still some argument about it
Hope123
Posted: Friday, November 12, 2021 11:07:13 PM

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FounDit wrote:
In my opinion, the medical community has once again shown us that it no longer deserves our trust. Anyone who believes this article in the Lancet is without hope. None of the suggested remedies would have ANY effect whatsoever except to give more power to those who are already drunk on its excess. And as any thinking person well knows by now, Covid-19 was created in a lab in Wuhan, China using the SARS-2 virus.


QED - to the question "Or are you pessimistic knowing the human animal?"

::::

Even if this simplistic lab declaration were to be true, which has not been proven and never will be either way, as any thinking person would see - humans still did it to themselves.

And since land use change, intensive livestock production, wildlife trade, and anthropogenic climate change had already been linked to multiple zoonotic disease outbreaks in humans, there is no reason to deny that it could and will happen again in the future ahead of us. This article was about all microbes, not just the one that is now endemic. Who cares where this particular microbe came from for certain - we can look at all angles for prevention - and solutions as to how to deal with this one already here, and prevention of others that will come because of human activities as evidenced in the far past are what matters.

The other unanswered question was "Do the suggestions to help economic recovery and the environment as well give you hope? (My thinking - only if enough leaders with public support are on board.)

BTW - Sars 2 virus IS Covid 19. It is kind of hard to create something out of itself - unless you are cloning.
Hope123
Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2021 8:58:15 AM

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Digression dealing with a point thrown in about this pandemic rather than the topic of future diseases:

During this pandemic lockdowns and restrictions were necessary at first, but if it weren't for the unvaccinated, we in Canada and US who are fortunate enough to have a good supply of vaccine, would have this pandemic under control and would be back to life as normal.

Ironic that the very misinformed people who are demanding normalcy are the ones stopping it from coming to fruition, and they are blissfully unaware of that fact.

It is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated and the virus has become endemic. We are probably going to need to get a booster shot every year along with our flu shot. That is no big deal in developed countries except for the cost. Undeveloped countries only wish for some of that vaccine rejected by anti vaxxers in developed countries.

Even those with some natural immunity from contracting the disease itself need to be immunized to strengthen their response, especially if they had light cases.
Hope123
Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2021 9:00:22 AM

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Back to topic of future zoonotic diseases spread to humans.

The logical and beneficial efforts and remedies suggested in this article in this respected journal and dismissed so eagerly by FounDit such as sustainable investment strategies which are to promote planetary and human health are aimed at safeguarding biodiversity and ecosystems. Such as - Biodiversity and ecosystem-supporting job creation. Regulation and surveillance of the global wildlife trade. Applying decision science to prevent emerging infectious diseases. Taking a one health approach to building a planetary health future.

(1) natural capital and ecosystem service restoration and resilience; (2) clean energy infrastructure; (3) efficiency-retrofits for buildings; (4) clean technology research and development; and (5) education and training to address COVID-19-related unemployment and decarbonisation shifts.

Why would anyone argue with those?

When economies are in recession or during a pandemic when we are distracted, when money is allocated elsewhere, funding for conservation affecting such issues as deforestation and slash and burn agriculture, wildlife poaching that feeds into illegal trade and exposure of wildlife illnesses to humans, research into preventing greenhouse gas emissions, and a list of other disruptions which is too long to repeat, is usually substantially reduced.


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