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Daemon
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History is made by men, but they do not make it in their heads. The ideas that are born in their consciousness play an insignificant part in the march of events. History is dominated and determined by the tool and the production—by the force of economic conditions.

Joseph Conrad (1857-1924)
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History is not a burden on the memory but an illumination of the soul.

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History is a gallery of pictures in which there are few originals and many copies.





Alexis de Tocqueville
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Daemon wrote:
History is made by men, but they do not make it in their heads. The ideas that are born in their consciousness play an insignificant part in the march of events. History is dominated and determined by the tool and the production—by the force of economic conditions.

Joseph Conrad (1857-1924)


Yeah. They do not make history in their heads, that’s why it’s totally unpredictable and uncontrollable as forces of nature… Right?
monamagda
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Context from:The Secret Agent(1907)

Chapter 3

". . . All idealization makes life poorer. To beautify it is to take away its character of complexity--it is to destroy it. Leave that to the moralists, my boy. History is made by men, but they do not make it in their heads. The ideas that are born in their consciousness play an insignificant part in the march of events. History is dominated and determined by the tool and the production--by the force of economic conditions. Capitalism has made socialism, and the laws made by the capitalist for the protection of property are responsible for anarchism. No one can tell what form the social organization may take in the future. Then why indulge in prophetic phantasies? At best they can only interpret the mind of the prophet, and can have no objective value. Leave that pastime to the moralists, my boy."

Michaelis, the ticket-of-leave apostle, was speaking in an even voice, a voice that wheezed as if deadened and oppressed by the layer of fat on his chest. He had come out of a highly hygienic prison round like a tub, with an enormous stomach and distended cheeks of a pale, semi-transparent complexion, as though for fifteen years the servants of an outraged society had made a point of stuffing him with fattening foods in a damp and lightless cellar. And ever since he had never managed to get his weight down as much as an ounce.

Read more: http://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/jc/sa/sa03.html


jcbarros
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Those ideas that are born in the consciousness evolve, resulting in events which condition economic forces. Is it an insignificant part? ;/
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Love the Alexis de Tocqueville quote... Thank you, Mehrdad77!
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History is made by people, but not by what they think, want, or plan, but by the sum of what they do and the intended and unintended consequences of said actions. However, some people have much more power than others, and although their thoughts and plans do not make history either, they condition the thoughts and actions of millions and have consequences that go well beyond their own circle. My thoughts and acts are lost to history, and have no effect upon it: they are like drops in a river. But the thoughts of some individuals and the actions undertaken by some companies, organizations, institutions, or governments, can sway the tide of history this way or that... And yet, the riverbed, which the river makes, changes much more slowly, and it is not altered so much by concerted actions but by the sum of past, present, and future actions with their consequences, and the presence of every drop. Those are the structures within which human action is constrained: history is not just the sum of our actions at present, but the sum of past actions, whose consequences are still felt and which still condition our thinking, our behavior, our possibilities, but are difficult to alter or address except for the concerted and collective effort of most.
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No ship's fool they - the founding fathers...we believe these gems with our scholastically formed consciences to uphold the established right after the determined wrong so that nature in its storms does not lead us astray as if we were LE Animals.
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