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Lebanon’s victory rings hollow Options
alibey1917
Posted: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 2:48:58 AM

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The outcome of these protests, however, has generally been disappointing. The hopes of the Arab Spring have faded in most of the affected countries: Libya and Syria slid into war and Egypt into military dictatorship... Even Lebanon’s victory rings hollow, as the movement's slogan, “Everyone means everyone,” demands a wholesale transformation of the country’s political culture, which remains unlikely.(Ethan Zuckerman, Mistrust: Why Losing Faith In Institutions Provides the Tools to Transform Them)

I couldn't figure the emphasized part out, what does that mean?
thar
Posted: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 3:37:02 AM

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It means it is not a real victory.
The promise of reform has faded away.

A metal object rings with a good sound if you hit it. Like a bell or a iron bar. But if it is hollow or counterfeit it just makes a thudding sound.

Other Arab Spring movements failed totally with descent into war or new dictatorship.
In Lebanon it hasn't been that bad, but it is still not a success for the reformers. The PM promised reforms but nothing helps ordinary people. They have not made the structural changes needed to make the system work. The political system is still broken and corrupt and the politicians care only about keeping power with their sectarian group. The reformers' "victory" has not made any difference, and it does not look like the system will change as the politicians promised it would.

It is not a real victory, even if it looks like one, compared to other counties.
If you strike it, metaphorically, you hear hollow thud, not a sweet ring.


Quote:
ring hollow
if a statement or promise rings hollow, it seems false, or insincere
Details of his 27-year affair have been revealed to all. His speeches on family values and the stability of marriage ring hollow now.


(A bad example there in terms of word choice. No 'marrage ring'. His statements ring hollow. While this politician portrayed himself as a supporter of family values he was having an affair. He was fake, not genuine.

Quote:
ring hollow
idiom

: to seem untruthful or insincere
Their promises ring hollow.
His apology rang hollow.



But here it is about the concept - the victory. It has not turned out to be a real victory, producing real change.




Another metaphor using the same analogy as 'to ring hollow' is 'to ring true'. Ie make the sound it should when you strike it, showing it is genuine.

The idiom is not exactly opposite in meaning, but it is when you believe something is genuine, the truth.
Quote:
If something someone says or writes rings true, it seems to be true:
Something about his explanation didn't quite ring true.

alibey1917
Posted: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 5:12:24 AM

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thar yazdı:
It means it is not a real victory.
The promise of reform has faded away.

A metal object rings with a good sound if you hit it. Like a bell or a iron bar. But if it is hollow or counterfeit it just makes a thudding sound.

Other Arab Spring movements failed totally with descent into war or new dictatorship.
In Lebanon it hasn't been that bad, but it is still not a success for the reformers. The PM promised reforms but nothing helps ordinary people. They have not made the structural changes needed to make the system work. The political system is still broken and corrupt and the politicians care only about keeping power with their sectarian group. The reformers' "victory" has not made any difference, and it does not look like the system will change as the politicians promised it would.

It is not a real victory, even if it looks like one, compared to other counties.
If you strike it, metaphorically, you hear hollow thud, not a sweet ring.


Alıntı:
ring hollow
if a statement or promise rings hollow, it seems false, or insincere
Details of his 27-year affair have been revealed to all. His speeches on family values and the stability of marriage ring hollow now.


(A bad example there in terms of word choice. No 'marrage ring'. His statements ring hollow. While this politician portrayed himself as a supporter of family values he was having an affair. He was fake, not genuine.

Alıntı:
ring hollow
idiom

: to seem untruthful or insincere
Their promises ring hollow.
His apology rang hollow.



But here it is about the concept - the victory. It has not turned out to be a real victory, producing real change.




Another metaphor using the same analogy as 'to ring hollow' is 'to ring true'. Ie make the sound it should when you strike it, showing it is genuine.

The idiom is not exactly opposite in meaning, but it is when you believe something is genuine, the truth.
Alıntı:
If something someone says or writes rings true, it seems to be true:
Something about his explanation didn't quite ring true.



Thank you, thar, I got it.
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