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alibey1917
Posted: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:15:47 PM

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"The play [Robert Wilson's The Three Ladies of London] trades quite literally in the topical unease of laughing at England’s weakness for fripperies in exchange for arming Muslims with metal taken from churches." (Jerry Brotton, This Orient Isle- Elizabethan England and the Islamic World)

Can you paraphrase this sentence?
Romany
Posted: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:30:50 PM
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First off: - the play 'The Three Ladies of London" was a satire.

A satire was understood to have a message; a moral; its purpose was to make people think: to view things through a different lens.

At the time the play was written people (the population) were aware that the continual waging of wars against Islam was a bit of a stretch for a country supposedly defending the "peaceful" aims of the early Church.

However, that very Church was the one telling them that the only way to their Heaven was to massacre the Infidel.

This was a dichotomy that many people felt - they had doubts which made them feel they were betraying their Christian beliefs. So it wasn't spoken about, or written about in public - the punishments for questioning their beliefs were pretty severe back in those days.

This play then, raised the questions people had - but didn't ask.

Deep down, the people of the day knew it was farcical - and perfectly hypocritical - that Christians were robbing their own Churches of lead (from which the roofs were made) in order to make bullets. Which would be sold to Muslims to shoot Christians. Madness, huh? It made people extremely uneasy and doubtful.

However a person could make their fortune fighting in the East. And when money is involved it appeared that religious conviction was a pretty dodgy grey area.

Wilson brings this hidden uneasiness and doubt out into the open for the first time...and made the point that people were so eager for the luxuries of the East that they were prepared to overlook the ridiculous fact that they were ready to arm their 'enemies'and bring about their own deaths. Crazy thinking. And he made them realise HOW crazy it was, with his play.

(Sorry, that was rather long and involved - but satire needs a bit of explanation.)
taurine
Posted: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:02:36 PM

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Romany wrote:

First off: - the play 'The Three Ladies of London" was a satire.

A satire was understood to have a message; a moral; its purpose was to make people think: to view things through a different lens.

At the time the play was written people (the population) were aware that the continual waging of wars against Islam was a bit of a stretch for a country supposedly defending the "peaceful" aims of the early Church.

However, that very Church was the one telling them that the only way to their Heaven was to massacre the Infidel.

This was a dichotomy that many people felt - they had doubts which made them feel they were betraying their Christian beliefs. So it wasn't spoken about, or written about in public - the punishments for questioning their beliefs were pretty severe back in those days.

This play then, raised the questions people had - but didn't ask.

Deep down, the people of the day knew it was farcical - and perfectly hypocritical - that Christians were robbing their own Churches of lead (from which the roofs were made) in order to make bullets. Which would be sold to Muslims to shoot Christians. Madness, huh? It made people extremely uneasy and doubtful.

However a person could make their fortune fighting in the East. And when money is involved it appeared that religious conviction was a pretty dodgy grey area.

Wilson brings this hidden uneasiness and doubt out into the open for the first time...and made the point that people were so eager for the luxuries of the East that they were prepared to overlook the ridiculous fact that they were ready to arm their 'enemies'and bring about their own deaths. Crazy thinking. And he made them realise HOW crazy it was, with his play.

(Sorry, that was rather long and involved - but satire needs a bit of explanation.)



The population of Armenia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, southern and central parts of the Kingdom of Hungary, Georgia could not agree with some parts of what is written above.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:42:51 AM

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taurine wrote:
The population of Armenia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, southern and central parts of the Kingdom of Hungary, Georgia could not agree with some parts of what is written above.

Oh, I don't know.
I think that most of them would agree that England selling bullets and cannon-balls to the Turks was not a good idea.
alibey1917
Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 3:19:02 AM

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Romany yazdı:

First off: - the play 'The Three Ladies of London" was a satire.

A satire was understood to have a message; a moral; its purpose was to make people think: to view things through a different lens.

At the time the play was written people (the population) were aware that the continual waging of wars against Islam was a bit of a stretch for a country supposedly defending the "peaceful" aims of the early Church.

However, that very Church was the one telling them that the only way to their Heaven was to massacre the Infidel.

This was a dichotomy that many people felt - they had doubts which made them feel they were betraying their Christian beliefs. So it wasn't spoken about, or written about in public - the punishments for questioning their beliefs were pretty severe back in those days.

This play then, raised the questions people had - but didn't ask.

Deep down, the people of the day knew it was farcical - and perfectly hypocritical - that Christians were robbing their own Churches of lead (from which the roofs were made) in order to make bullets. Which would be sold to Muslims to shoot Christians. Madness, huh? It made people extremely uneasy and doubtful.

However a person could make their fortune fighting in the East. And when money is involved it appeared that religious conviction was a pretty dodgy grey area.

Wilson brings this hidden uneasiness and doubt out into the open for the first time...and made the point that people were so eager for the luxuries of the East that they were prepared to overlook the ridiculous fact that they were ready to arm their 'enemies'and bring about their own deaths. Crazy thinking. And he made them realise HOW crazy it was, with his play.

(Sorry, that was rather long and involved - but satire needs a bit of explanation.)


Thank you very much for this detailed explanation, Romany.
taurine
Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 3:37:51 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
taurine wrote:
The population of Armenia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, southern and central parts of the Kingdom of Hungary, Georgia could not agree with some parts of what is written above.

Oh, I don't know.
I think that most of them would agree that England selling bullets and cannon-balls to the Turks was not a good idea.



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