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nightdream
Posted: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 8:34:01 AM

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Are they natural and are commas needed?


1/ They went (,) looking for the diamond.

2/ They went (,) calling each other ...

3/ They went out of the cave (,) weeping and laughing.

4/ They went out (,) weeping and laughing (I imply they went out of a cave).

FounDit
Posted: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 9:48:10 AM

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nightdream wrote:
Are they natural and are commas needed?


1/ They went (,) looking for the diamond.

2/ They went (,) calling each other ...

3/ They went out of the cave (,) weeping and laughing.

4/ They went out (,) weeping and laughing (I imply they went out of a cave).


Only 3/ seems natural, but the last part, "weeping and laughing" is odd. I can't imagine people weeping and laughing at the same time.

Usually, reading "They went", we would expect some kind of description to follow, such as "out of the cave". Simply saying, "They went" sounds odd. I suppose there might be a way to say that, but nothing comes to mind at the moment.
the plow
Posted: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 10:13:53 AM
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Wilmar (USA) 1M
Posted: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 11:17:11 AM

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Technically OK. But they all sound odd. It is very unusual to say that someone "went", without specifying exactly where they went.


1/ They went (,) looking for the diamond.
They went into the garden to look for the diamond.

2/ They went (,) calling each other ...
They went on their way, calling to each other... (what does this mean?)

3/ They went out of the cave (,) weeping and laughing.
They left the cave.

4/ They went out (,) weeping and laughing (I imply they went out of a cave).
They left the cave.

Every old cowboy moving includes the line, "They went that-a-way!"
Romany
Posted: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 12:34:16 PM
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As both posts above have pointed out, "They went..." is not a sentence. It's a fragment of a sentence. It's a phrase which introduces:

a direction: "They went West." *"They went that way."
mood: "They went happily/sadly/merrily/..."
manner: "They went blindly/automatically/drunkenly..."

Among the things that "they went" introduces are adjectives. And of course, an adjective describes something, so you have to then add a noun:

"They went ...dejectedly... down the road."
"They went...excitedly... out of the cave."
"They went...limping...into the house."

(I'm just sticking to the usage of "they went" in the context of your sentences. It can, of course, introduce anything.)

So saying "they went" has NO meaning on it's own. It's a prefix to a phrase and/or clause which WILL have meaning.

Instead of saying it you could say "They left the cave feeling excited." "They ran out of the cave." "They left the cave early next morning.

Instead of "they went" down the road you could say: "The next day they continued their journey." "Feeling refreshed after their rest, they walked on until dawn."

Does that help?






*(If you've never seen any old American movies: everybody talks in a certain "cowboy slang" so "that-a-way" is the way they always said "That way", no matter what regional they were from)
nightdream
Posted: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 1:23:38 PM

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Thanks to all of you. But are commas needed before the participles?
nightdream
Posted: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 1:28:18 PM

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FounDit wrote:
nightdream wrote:
Are they natural and are commas needed?


1/ They went (,) looking for the diamond.

2/ They went (,) calling each other ...

3/ They went out of the cave (,) weeping and laughing.

4/ They went out (,) weeping and laughing (I imply they went out of a cave).


Only 3/ seems natural, but the last part, "weeping and laughing" is odd. I can't imagine people weeping and laughing at the same time.

Usually, reading "They went", we would expect some kind of description to follow, such as "out of the cave". Simply saying, "They went" sounds odd. I suppose there might be a way to say that, but nothing comes to mind at the moment.



Thank you! Then would it be correct if I remake them as:

1/ They went away, looking for the diamond.

2a / They went on their way, calling each other ...

2b/ They were on their way, calling each other ...
nightdream
Posted: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 2:39:47 PM

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'They went, calling each other so as not to lose one another' - I posted this sentence before.

I asked about "so as". But no one noticed the incorrectness and commented on oddness of the use of "went".

Does this 'went' sound normal here, then?
FounDit
Posted: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 3:01:16 PM

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nightdream wrote:
FounDit wrote:
nightdream wrote:
Are they natural and are commas needed?


1/ They went (,) looking for the diamond.

2/ They went (,) calling each other ...

3/ They went out of the cave (,) weeping and laughing.

4/ They went out (,) weeping and laughing (I imply they went out of a cave).


Only 3/ seems natural, but the last part, "weeping and laughing" is odd. I can't imagine people weeping and laughing at the same time.

Usually, reading "They went", we would expect some kind of description to follow, such as "out of the cave". Simply saying, "They went" sounds odd. I suppose there might be a way to say that, but nothing comes to mind at the moment.



Thank you! Then would it be correct if I remake them as:

1/ They went away, looking for the diamond. This one could work, although we'd normally expect a location to be given.

2a / They went on their way, calling each other ...This is okay, but I would expect to read, "calling to each other" if they used their voices, or "calling each other on their phones" if they used technology.

2b/ They were on their way, calling each other ...This might also work under some circumstances.
FounDit
Posted: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 3:03:25 PM

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nightdream wrote:
'They went, calling each other so as not to lose one another' - I posted this sentence before.

I asked about "so as". But no one noticed the incorrectness and commented on oddness of the use of "went". The use of "so as" is fine.

Does this 'went' sound normal here, then?

No. As before, it sounds odd without more information.
nightdream
Posted: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:14:18 PM

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FounDit wrote:
nightdream wrote:
FounDit wrote:
nightdream wrote:
Are they natural and are commas needed?


1/ They went (,) looking for the diamond.

2/ They went (,) calling each other ...

3/ They went out of the cave (,) weeping and laughing.

4/ They went out (,) weeping and laughing (I imply they went out of a cave).


Only 3/ seems natural, but the last part, "weeping and laughing" is odd. I can't imagine people weeping and laughing at the same time.

Usually, reading "They went", we would expect some kind of description to follow, such as "out of the cave". Simply saying, "They went" sounds odd. I suppose there might be a way to say that, but nothing comes to mind at the moment.



Thank you! Then would it be correct if I remake them as:

1/ They went away, looking for the diamond. This one could work, although we'd normally expect a location to be given.

2a / They went on their way, calling each other ...This is okay, but I would expect to read, "calling to each other" if they used their voices, or "calling each other on their phones" if they used technology.

2b/ They were on their way, calling each other ...This might also work under some circumstances.



Thank you very much. I never heard about "call to". Could you clarify under which circumstances 2b could work?

Could this work "They were on their way, calling each other so as not lose one another"?

nightdream
Posted: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:21:38 PM

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Excuse me, are these sound natural? (there are no indication where and why ones went):


1/ He went for days and nights without stop.

2/ They went for a very long time.

3/ They went together.



Or should they be:

1/ He went on his way for days and nights?

2/ They went on their way for a very long time?

FounDit
Posted: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:53:32 PM

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nightdream wrote:
Excuse me, are these sound natural? (there are no indication where and why ones went):


1/ He went for days and nights without stop.

2/ They went for a very long time.

3/ They went together.
None of these are quite natural. Each one needs additional words to sound natural.


Or should they be:

1/ He went on his way for days and nights? Yes. Much better.

2/ They went on their way for a very long time? Yes. Much better.

nightdream
Posted: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:57:21 PM

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FounDit wrote:
nightdream wrote:
Excuse me, are these sound natural? (there are no indication where and why ones went):


1/ He went for days and nights without stop.

2/ They went for a very long time.

3/ They went together.
None of these are quite natural. Each one needs additional words to sound natural.


Or should they be:

1/ He went on his way for days and nights? Yes. Much better.

2/ They went on their way for a very long time? Yes. Much better.




Thank you. Could you clarify under which circumstances 2b could work:

"They were on their way, calling each other so as not lose one another"?

FounDit
Posted: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:59:09 PM

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nightdream wrote:
FounDit wrote:
nightdream wrote:
FounDit wrote:
nightdream wrote:
Are they natural and are commas needed?


1/ They went (,) looking for the diamond.

2/ They went (,) calling each other ...

3/ They went out of the cave (,) weeping and laughing.

4/ They went out (,) weeping and laughing (I imply they went out of a cave).


Only 3/ seems natural, but the last part, "weeping and laughing" is odd. I can't imagine people weeping and laughing at the same time.

Usually, reading "They went", we would expect some kind of description to follow, such as "out of the cave". Simply saying, "They went" sounds odd. I suppose there might be a way to say that, but nothing comes to mind at the moment.



Thank you! Then would it be correct if I remake them as:

1/ They went away, looking for the diamond. This one could work, although we'd normally expect a location to be given.

2a / They went on their way, calling each other ...This is okay, but I would expect to read, "calling to each other" if they used their voices, or "calling each other on their phones" if they used technology.

2b/ They were on their way, calling each other ...This might also work under some circumstances.



Thank you very much. I never heard about "call to". Could you clarify under which circumstances 2b could work?
I imagined a situation where two people might be separated by distance and were calling each other on their phones. They might do that in order to meet, or just to be confident each was safe in their traveling.

Could this work "They were on their way, calling each other so as not lose one another"? It could work if you have already said how they are calling each other. Are they yelling with their voice, or using phones?

A sentence by itself doesn't communicate much information. That's why context is so important, and we all keep saying that. The meaning of words can change with context.


nightdream
Posted: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:02:33 PM

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What about this sentence? Is it natural?

'He was on his way and went for a very long time'.



How can I remake it if it is unnatural? Should I add "on"?

'He was on his way and went on for a very long time'.





FounDit
Posted: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:16:47 PM

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nightdream wrote:
What about this sentence? Is it natural?

'He was on his way and went for a very long time'.
No.


How can I remake it if it is unnatural? Should I add "on"?

'He was on his way and went on for a very long time'.
This is better, but still could be improved by saying where, or why he was "on his way". But this is an example of how adding just one word can make a big difference.




nightdream
Posted: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:22:30 PM

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FounDit wrote:
nightdream wrote:
What about this sentence? Is it natural?

'He was on his way and went for a very long time'.
No.


How can I remake it if it is unnatural? Should I add "on"?

'He was on his way and went on for a very long time'.
This is better, but still could be improved by saying where, or why he was "on his way". But this is an example of how adding just one word can make a big difference.





What is the difference between "was" and "went"?


1/ He was on his way (for a very long time)

2/ He went on his way (for a very long time)

And can "He went on his way" mean "He started on his way"?

nightdream
Posted: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:44:24 PM

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FounDit wrote:
nightdream wrote:
What about this sentence? Is it natural?

'He was on his way and went for a very long time'.
No.


How can I remake it if it is unnatural? Should I add "on"?

'He was on his way and went on for a very long time'.
This is better, but still could be improved by saying where, or why he was "on his way". But this is an example of how adding just one word can make a big difference.



I think it would be clear where and why a hero went by a context




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