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Koh Elaine
Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 9:58:08 PM
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This is just one of many unfortunate high-profile Hollywood suicides in recent years. Bourdain’s death follows fashion designer Kate Spade, who hung herself in her New York apartment. Earlier this year, many known celebrities took their own lives. The number of high-profile deaths has risen greatly in recent years— with many attributed to suicide. Many stars have pointed out that celebrities are just people, and just like us, they can suffer from mental illness.

Regarding the bold part, can it be punctuated as follows? If not, what is the reason?

"celebrities are just people and, just like us, they can suffer from mental illness."

Thanks.
FounDit
Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:22:13 PM

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Koh Elaine wrote:
This is just one of many unfortunate high-profile Hollywood suicides in recent years. Bourdain’s death follows fashion designer Kate Spade, who hung herself in her New York apartment. Earlier this year, many known celebrities took their own lives. The number of high-profile deaths has risen greatly in recent years— with many attributed to suicide. Many stars have pointed out that celebrities are just people, and just like us, they can suffer from mental illness.

Regarding the bold part, can it be punctuated as follows? If not, what is the reason?

"celebrities are just people and, just like us, they can suffer from mental illness."

Thanks.


I really think your version is the more correct one.


A great many people will think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. ~ William James ~
Pandion haliaetus
Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 11:54:35 PM

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FounDit wrote:
Koh Elaine wrote:
This is just one of many unfortunate high-profile Hollywood suicides in recent years. Bourdain’s death follows fashion designer Kate Spade, who hung herself in her New York apartment. Earlier this year, many known celebrities took their own lives. The number of high-profile deaths has risen greatly in recent years— with many attributed to suicide. Many stars have pointed out that celebrities are just people, and just like us, they can suffer from mental illness.

Regarding the bold part, can it be punctuated as follows? If not, what is the reason?

"celebrities are just people and, just like us, they can suffer from mental illness."

Thanks.


I really think your version is the more correct one.


Hi, Koh Elaine & FounDit
There's the third way to punctuate the sentence, but firstly, I would say that the original is quite rightly done, for there's the enumeration in it: "celebrities are just people, and (they are) just like us, they can suffer ...". As to the Koh Elaine's variant, it is quite correct, too, but it is more sensible and expressive, some important features which the original lacks. If it's taken out of some media, then it's clear: authors usually do not have enough time to re-read their writings (if they ever do so at all). This remodelled sentence, however, is not completed in commaing. Look now: you have made just like us the separated copula, the only definition for which is a parenthesis. This one shall always be separated from the rest of the containing sentence (commas, dashes, or whatever) and may be extracted out of the clause without damaging the sense and grammar of the predication. Let's do so: celebrities are just people and they can suffer from mental illness. Now we have a compound sentence consisting of two independent ones (within the domain they are called "clauses"). Those clauses are coordinated, they are coupled by the coordinating conjunction and, but the formal, visible (not audible) sign of such tie between them is comma. Let's put it in: celebrities are just people, and they can suffer from mental illness. The final step is to return the parenthesis to its position: celebrities are just people, and, just like us, they can suffer from mental illness. You see, now we have an extra comma before and ("extra" if compared to your variant). You've chosen the way better than the author of the original but for only one comma. Anyway, Kudos!
Gabriel82
Posted: Thursday, June 14, 2018 2:19:28 AM

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I want to say that the "and just like us" appears to function as an appositive phrase in the sentence although it varies a bit in its structure from the examples given here. However, it is set off by two commas to begin and end the phrase, and could be removed without harming the meaning or taking away from the meaning of the sentence (if it were an appositive phrase, it would be considered "non-restrictive").
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