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Topic: MASAKARI: The people's choice 'General Purpose Grade' English wordlist
Posted: Friday, January 19, 2018 3:55:19 AM
Wanna share my view on the pronunciation aspect, thought about creating a separate thread, however the common ground with this master-thread is enough, so here something unseen on Internet or bookstores comes...

Transcriptiondom - Deep Dive into American English Transcriptions

My attempt to cover this fundamental topic follows.
First off, the approach taken inhere is based entirely on RHW (Random House Webster), love it.

This is the superb RHWUD:



The idea behind this thread is to exhaustively write down all the phonemes (American English) in use.
So feel free to jump in and share your view on the matter, bug-fixing is highly appreciated.

I've seen many dictionaries' legends (transcription schemes) showing all kinds of special symbols, and never liked the inconsistency and the lack of uniformity, my core idea is to address and solve this issue by offering one simplified set of symbols - all writeable with present 26 English letters.
In ancient times, pre-Sanskrit, there was a mystical law/rule the written language to correspond with the spoken language directly, without the need of "recoding" i.e. transcriptions, in my eyes, the need for such mediator shows the deviation from this beautiful and sacred principle. Nowadays, English is especially "sick" in that department as opposed to my native Bulgarian, we still preserve (mostly) the unity of what-is-spoken-is-what-is-written. Therefore I consider my language superior in that regard.
So, using Random House Webster transcription scheme as a backbone and seeing the need for a reference name, here comes RHWSPA, it stands for Random-House-Webster-Sanmayce-Phonetic-Alphabet. IPA or International-Phonetic-Alphabet, suffers from the inability to "encode" phonemes with vanilla ASCII symbols. On top of that I wanted American (not British) variants all the way.

My passion, or rather obsession was harnessed and after some 4-5 months of grabbing the original electronic edition of RHW the outcome was 67,466 word-transcription pairs. Since my kidhood my perception of knowledge has been in spirit all-for-the-people, thought that world was a place/workshop for constant enrichment where the goal was to simply appreciate, it turned out the pimpish way was imposed on many activities using the pay-me-these-many-cents-to-give-you-these-many-letters formula. The result is shameful, 7 billion people (2 of which are using English) have no available free resource/reference to look up the basics of English - the spoken part - utter shame! What planet is this!?
I can hear pimps on left and right saying "this is the business model, get over it", guess I am the last of the fools. Or, to sugarcoat it, the last of the freedomists.



A page from the corpus:



Right on, right into the list, later my quick remarks will be given.

Legend:
{} - a phoneme enclosed in curly brackets
Primary Stress {'} follows the stressed syllable
~ - tilde sign precedes the vowel which becomes shortened, a diacritic in fact

English alphabet:

a|({e~i}), n., pl. A's or As, a's or as.
b|(b{i:}), n., pl. B's or Bs, b's or bs.
c|(s{i:}), n., pl. C's or Cs, c's or cs.
d|(d{i:}), n., pl. D's or Ds, d's or ds.
e|({i:}), n., pl. E's or Es, e's or es.
f|(ef), n., pl. F's or Fs, f's or fs.
g|(j{i:}), n., pl. G's or Gs, g's or gs.
h|({e~i}ch), n., pl. H's or Hs, h's or hs.
i|({a~i}), n., pl. I's or Is, i's or is.
j|(j{e~i}), n., pl. J's or Js, j's or js.
k|(k{e~i}), n., pl. K's or Ks, k's or ks.
l|(el), n., pl. L's or Ls, l's or ls.
m|(em), n., pl. M's or Ms, m's or ms.
n|(en), n., pl. N's or Ns, n's or ns.
o|({o~u}), n., pl. O's or Os; o's or os or oes.
p|(p{i:}), n., pl. P's or Ps, p's or ps.
q|(ky{u:}), n., pl. Q's or Qs, q's or qs.
r|({a:}r), n., pl. R's or Rs, r's or rs.
s|(es), n., pl. S's
t|(t{i:}), n., pl. T's
u|(y{u:}), n., pl. U's or Us, u's or us.
v|(v{i:}), n., pl. V's or Vs, v's or vs.
w|(dub{'}{x}l y{u:}{"}, -y{~ou}; rapidly dub{'}y{x}), n., pl. W's or Ws, w's or ws.
x|(eks), n., pl. X's or Xs, x's or xs.
y|(w{a~i}), n., pl. Y's
z|(z{i:} or, esp. Brit., zed; Archaic iz{'}{x}rd), n., pl. Z's or Zs, z's or zs.

Random House Webster Dictionary Transcription Phonemes:

a reads {e~e} or {~ae} when primary stressed
abacist|(ab{'}{x} sist), n.
man|(man), n., pl. men,
glad|(glad), adj., gladder, gladdest, v., gladded, gladding.

{e:x} reads {e~e}{x}
air|({e:x}r), n.
area|({e:x}r{'}{i:} {x}), n.
aware|({x} w{e:x}r{'}), adj.

{x} reads {x}
ago|({x} g{o~u}{'}), adj.
away|({x} w{e~i}{'}), adv.
awesome|({o:}{'}s{x}m), adj.

{x_} reads {x} or omit
inspired|(in sp{a~i}{x_}rd{'}), adj.
aspire|({x} sp{a~i}{x_}r{'}), v.i., -pired, -piring.
require|(ri kw{a~i}{x_}r{'}), v., -quired, -quiring.

{x:} reads {x~x}
murder|(m{x:}r{'}d{x}r), n.
absurd|(ab s{x:}rd{'}, -z{x:}rd{'}), adj.
adverb|(ad{'}v{x:}rb), n. Gram.

{u:} reads {u~u}
tool|(t{u:}l), n.
attitude|(at{'}i t{u:}d{"}, -ty{u:}d{"}), n.
avenue|(av{'}{x} ny{u:}{"}, -n{u:}{"}), n.

{a:} reads {a~a}
car|(k{a:}r), n.
fast|(fast, f{a:}st), adj., -er, -est, adv., -er, -est, n.
abaca|(ab{"}{x} k{a:}{'}, {a:}{"}b{x}-), n.

{i:} reads {i~i}
meet|(m{i:}t), v., met, meeting, n.
abbreviated|({x} br{i:}{'}v{i:} {e~i}{"}tid), adj.
linear|(lin{'}{i:} {x}r), adj.

{o:} reads {o~o}
all|({o:}l), adj.
almost|({o:}l{'}m{o~u}st, {o:}l m{o~u}st{'}), adv.
also|({o:}l{'}s{o~u}), adv.
assault|({x} s{o:}lt{'}), n.
automatic|({o:}{"}t{x} mat{'}ik), adj.

{~ou} reads {~ou}
look|(l{~ou}k), v.i.
pull|(p{~ou}l), v.t.
cure|(ky{~ou}r), n., v., cured, curing.
book|(b{~ou}k), n.
fury|(fy{~ou}r{'}{i:}), n., pl. -ries.
sure|(sh{~ou}r, sh{x:}r), adj., surer, surest, adv.

{a~i} reads {a~i}
ice|({a~i}s), n., v., iced, icing, adj.
lionheart|(l{a~i}{'}{x}n h{a:}rt{"}), n.
lively|(l{a~i}v{'}l{i:}), adj., -lier, -liest, adv.

{o~u} reads {o~u}
tone|(t{o~u}n), n., v., toned, toning.
adore|({x} d{o:}r{'}, {x} d{o~u}r{'}), v., adored, adoring.
loaded|(l{o~u}{'}did), adj.

{e~i} reads {e~i}
ape|({e~i}p), n., v., aped, aping.
able|({e~i}{'}b{x}l), adj., abler, ablest, n.
daresay|(d{e:x}r{'}s{e~i}{'}), v.i., v.t.

{dh} reads {dd}
then|({dh}en), adv.
although|({o:}l {dh}{o~u}{'}), conj.
another|({x} nu{dh}{'}{x}r), adj.

th reads {tt}
think|(thingk), v., thought, thinking, adj., n.
truth|(tr{u:}th), n., pl. truths (tr{u:}{dh}z, tr{u:}ths).
strength|(strengkth, strength, strenth), n.

ng reads {nn}
drinking|(dring{'}king), adj.
bethink|(bi thingk{'}), v., -thought, -thinking.
function|(fungk{'}sh{x}n), n.
sing|(sing), v., sang or, often, sung; sung; singing; n.

u reads {~xa}
sun|(sun), n., v., sunned, sunning.
uncut|(un kut{'}), adj.
underdog|(un{'}d{x}r d{o:}g{"}, -dog{"}), n.

ou reads {a~u}
out|(out), adv.
about|({x} bout{'}), prep.
empower|(em pou{'}{x}r), v.t.

oi reads {o~i}
voice|(vois), n., v., voiced, voicing, adj.
avoid|({x} void{'}), v.t.
tomboy|(tom{'}boi{"}), n.

y reads {~i}
yes|(yes), adv., n., pl. yeses, v., yessed, yessing, interj.
strenuous|(stren{'}y{u:} {x}s), adj.
year|(y{i:}r), n.

w reads {~u}
wow|(wou), Informal.
would|(w{~ou}d; unstressed w{x}d), v. would (w{o~u}ld), n.
twist|(twist), v.t.

j reads {dj}
jester|(jes{'}t{x}r), n.
justice|(jus{'}tis), n.
badge|(baj), n., v., badged, badging.

zh reads {j}
revision|(ri vizh{'}{x}n), n.
displeasure|(dis plezh{'}{x}r), n., v., -ured, -uring.
version|(v{x:}r{'}zh{x}n, -sh{x}n), n.

ch reads {tch}
check|(chek), v., n., pl. checks or, for 45, chex, adj., interj.
church|(ch{x:}rch), n.
dispatch|(di spach{'}), v.t.

sh reads {sch}
thrash|(thrash), v.t.
accomplished|({x} kom{'}plisht), adj.
chef|(shef), n.

{kh} reads {kh}
claught|(kl{o:}{kh}t, kl{a:}{kh}t), v.
loch|(lok, lo{kh}), n. Scot.
reich|(r{a~i}k; Ger. R{a~i}{kh}), n.

Yesterday I liked the directness of one Korean fellow, his attempt to show the phonemic approach instantly caught my attention since this is the right way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l2kXoNIzJE

His example "cats and dogs" is transcribed in Random-House Webster style as:
k{e~e}ts {e~e}nd d{o~o}gs

My question, can you show an English word having a phoneme outside the enlisted ones?

Oh, and the precious corpus itself: https://twitter.com/Sanmayce/status/954266258677092352

He learns not to learn and reverts to what all men pass by.
Topic: Morning Star - Yeshua/Satan
Posted: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:21:21 PM
dusty wrote:
I always assumed that the Devel. was the abbreviated term Developer


Got it, another angle, in photography developer/developing is the actual "come forth" agent/process - thus Devil/Devel helps in developing, hee-hee, in all the senses.

>The contest looks unfair to Satan. The God is a homer.

Didn't get it, you meant biased? I find the black out very funny, the contest is "unfair", yes, playing dirty is quite a twist in this joke.

He learns not to learn and reverts to what all men pass by.
Topic: Morning Star - Yeshua/Satan
Posted: Friday, December 15, 2017 2:54:02 PM
Thanks. Didn't look up this Hebrew or Aramaic phrase, thought that it might be misdefined. It puzzles me how people accept a statement as if there is no question about it. On the other hand, critical thinking often misdirects because bypasses the intuition, so it is overrated, to me. My way is the middle way. In case with this whole good versus bad plot in the Bible I see no middle ground, it is like you should choose one or the other, nah. My view is different, both forces serve a purpose and thus they are allowed. Many people ask why God allows atrocities, I ask also. Of the whole Bible I like only Job, inthere the angel of accusation Satan plays the role of adversary while being servant of God, somehow in NT someone made him all-evil, funny, it is like slandering the "slanderer" which in itself appears ... Satanic. Who knows whether Satan is not a bug-reporter of the creation, or beta-tester or fault-finder or just being head of quality-control.

As for Morning Star, maybe both Lucifer and Yeshua are sons of the Morning, with the twist one becoming corrupted somehow.

Two days ago saw this on quora.com:

Jesus and Satan have an argument as to who is the better programmer. This goes on for a few hours until they come to an agreement to hold a contest with God as the judge. They set themselves before their computers and begin. They type furiously, lines of code streaming up the screen, for several hours straight.

Seconds before the end of the competition, a bolt of lightning strikes, taking out the electricity. Moments later, the power is restored, and God announces that the contest is over. He asks Satan to show his work. Visibly upset, Satan cries and says, “I have nothing. I lost it all when the power went out.”

“Very well,” says God, “let us see if Jesus has fared any better.”

Jesus presses a key, and the screen comes to life in vivid display, the voices of an angelic choir pour forth from the speakers.

Satan is astonished. He stutters, “B-b-but how?! I lost everything, yet Jesus’ program is intact! How did he do it?”

God chuckles, “Everybody knows… Jesus saves.”


Source: http://www.devtopics.com/best-programming-jokes/

He learns not to learn and reverts to what all men pass by.
Topic: Morning Star - Yeshua/Satan
Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 1:42:00 PM
Oh, just realized that the thread name rises another question for disoverlapping - Satan/Lucifer. Many people, myself included, use them interchangeably.

He learns not to learn and reverts to what all men pass by.
Topic: Morning Star - Yeshua/Satan
Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 1:33:37 PM
A month ago while watching the podcast of one American chatterbox (as me) I asked in comment section for clarification. Today, a guy answered my question:

KJV -
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Most if not all other English translations mistranslate and create confusion between lucifer and Jesus, as you can see below.
NIV -
Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

Hisgalus 22:16 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)

16 “I, Yehoshua sent My malach (angel) to give solemn eidus (testimony) to you of these things, for the Kehillot. I am the Shoresh (root) and the offspring of Dovid, the Kokhav HaShachar.

How come we have two morning stars? So, who can deoverlap/disoverlap the "overlapping"? What "Kokhav HaShachar" stands for?

He learns not to learn and reverts to what all men pass by.
Topic: 'come undone' throughout lyrics
Posted: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:09:44 PM
Thanks. Like your version much more. Makes more sense, anyway. On top of that, even it is not what is sung, it plays out well.
I asked Low Deep T himself (via Twitter) about correctness of this couplet.

As for 'comes undoing', it didn't occur to me this notion at all, it seems like Steven King's Langoliers who eat the continuum, scary. What I had on mind was something that strips the load taken throughout the day, something that relaxes as strong drink or immersive live music - all Roadhouse related. Guess the phrase used as literal not figurative one, just undoing/unloading the burden, thus my perception would be all-positive. As in my dummy example, "In Roadhouse, the [incoming] waves of whiskey and live music come undoing."

He learns not to learn and reverts to what all men pass by.
Topic: 'come undone' throughout lyrics
Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 3:57:56 PM
Just saw a lovely example of human fidelity towards dog, rare:
Guy Thinks Nobody's Watching When He Kneels Over Old Dog

... watched their old friend "come alive" ...

Made me think of all the 'come+' bigrams (adjectival/adverbial, mostly). Strange, the closing (at the end) song from 'Roadhouse' movie classic came to mind as well, it goes "the night comes falling". Wonder whether 'comes undoing' is a plausible/understandable phrase, in a different but similar incoming event as quickdarkening!

leonAzul, could you explain your take on that couplet:

Ho! I've got a little love
I've come to let my feeling joy
You've been away too long baby
As in the go Man go yeah!

- The second verse, cannot make sense of it, as if 'joy' is not the word in use. Love how his gestures at 2:00 mark, they say 'shown', that is, he allowed his feelings go outward.
- Is the 'go Man' same as 'go-to man' or entirely elsething (heh-heh, was about to write 'something else' but thought of 'elsewhere')?

Wonderful, felt it, but failed to get the meaning.

Not by the way, I salute you with this with-heart (as Brad Wesley would say in Roadhouse) supervideosong.
Never thought that will hear such a voice as in 'Barry White - Put Me In Your Mix', wrong, Low Deep T proves the betterment is ever ongoing and best is yet to come. I mean, they are superb in their own right, but the diverse neverending source of fine stuff is constantly being revealed by super artists.

She has a beautiful smile
And an incredible style
No matter how long it is been
I can't get her out of my mind, no!
So tell me what do you say
Giving myself the blues
I am as well admit to it
I need her back, in my life
Life... x 20

I think I left the love of my life
Behind
In Casablanca ha!
I've got to buy myself a ticket
Tonight
Got to go there, where?
Casablanca ha! hooow!
Casa, hey!
You're holding my love, howow!
Casa, hey!
You're holding my love, got to go
There now!
Hey, ah!

I think I left the love of my life
Behind
In Casablanca ha!
I've got to buy myself a ticket
Tonight
Got to go there, where?
Casablanca ha! hoo!
Casa, hey!
You're holding my love, howow!
Casa, hey!
You're holding my love, wow wow wow
Wowow!
Yeah!

Ho! I've got a little love
I've come to let my feeling joy
You've been away too long baby
As in the go Man go yeah!

Even if it is the last fight, heh!
I've got to leave tonight
I've got no other choice
I need to hear a voice, voice again
I think I left the love of my life
Behind
In Casablanca ha!
I've got to buy myself a ticket
Tonight
Got to go there, where?
Casablanca ha! hooow!
Check Out
Casa,
I've got to buy myself a ticket
Tonight
Got to go there, where?
Casablanca ha! hooow!
Casa, hey!
You're holding my love, ha!
Casa, hey!
You're holding my love, got to go
There now!
Hey!, she's the love of my life
How!, she's the love of my life
Hahaay, I get her back
She's the love of my life
Oohow, she's the love of my life
Ahay!, I get her back
She's the love of my life
How!, she's the love of my life
Ahay!, I get her back
She's the love of my life
I need her back, I need her back
Oh!, I need her back in my life
Howow! Casa
You've got my love now

/Low Deep T - Casablanca Lyrics | MetroLyrics/

Having watched it many times, noticed the white thread within:
girl+blanca
car+blanca
cup+blanca
suit+blanca
Following the Spanish pattern:
chica+blanca=chicablanca
coche+blanca=cocheblanca
taza+blanca=tazablanca
traje+blanca=trajeblanca


He learns not to learn and reverts to what all men pass by.
Topic: 'come undone' throughout lyrics
Posted: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:28:37 AM
Nice put, yes I still didn't make up my mind on what 'come undone' covers, sometimes I am not clear as I should, throwing some feelings dressed into quick wording.
At the time of writing '-1 = Come Undone' my notion was giving The Absolute Zero - the bottom of the scale where motion ceases to be, not accurate but the idea was the moving to stop - either thinking or planning or feeling - just be. If I get what you are meaning, you speak of transcendent state, whereas I mean "within the picture" but stopped for observation. On my mind was some freezing (as opposed to coolth and warmth states) of the picture, or as Carlos Castaneda extensively described - 'stopping of the world'. As for the beautiful wording of Lao Zi, agreed fully, but another passage was on my mind - the natural simplicity of untouched piece of wood.

This excerpt pictures it quite well:
“Raw silk” and “uncut wood”

...
Forget the rules.
Be untroubled.


The footnote says it all - su simple/plain and pu natural/honest characters, yet 'come undone' is still eluding - not mapping onto these.

One of the eight meanings given by The comprehensive Chinese character dictionary Hanyu Da Zidian is "simple; plain; unadorned; unaffected".
My current understanding is that 'come undone' has a lot to do with the last two 'unadorned' and 'unaffected'.

By the way, Wikipedia's article about 'pu' is really good:
...
Chapter 19 parallels the near-synonyms su 素 "raw silk; white; plain; simple; quiet" and pu 樸 "unworked wood; plain; simple", and was the source for Ge Hong's pen-name Baopuzi "Master who Embraces Simplicity".

Evince the plainness of undyed silk, Embrace the simplicity of the unhewn log; Lessen selfishness, Diminish desires; Abolish learning and you will be without worries. (19, tr. Mair 1990:81)

Holmes Welch (1957:35) describes pu "the Uncarved Block" and su "Raw Silk" as symbols that Laozi used to expound his basic doctrine of "the return to our original nature". In modern usage, pu and su mean "plain," but originally pu "was wood as it came from the tree before man had dressed it", while su "was silk that man had never dyed or painted."
...


To stress it, I see his basic doctrine of "the return to our original nature" overlaps with 'come undone'.

For more than two decades Haddaway's "Fly Away" supervideoclip stays with me as one of the best representations of going to that state of 'unraveling the knot':
It's a dream of worlds in motion
And another place and time
I guess I'm feeling lost
In the home I thought was mine

It's a universal notion
Life is just a battlefield
Open your heart for someone
Nothing is revealed

Fly away
You can leave it all behind you
I'm on my way to find you
And I'll soon be flying too

Fly away
We can fly away together
I'm talking 'bout forever
This is all we gotta do, fly away

It's a tangled up emotion
Will you stay or will you go?
I am the one to count on
If only you w/could know

Fly away
You can leave it all behind you
I'm on my way to find you
And I'll soon be flying too

Fly away
We can fly away together
I'm talking 'bout forever
This is all we gotta do, fly away


/Haddaway - 'Fly Away' Lyrics/

Is "I guess I'm feeling lost" not a variant of 'come undone'?
Yo see, the 'un-entangle-ment' or 'dis-entangle-ment', to me, is yet another disguised usage of 'come undone' - with the master notion of being enfreed of tangles/knots of mundane world.

Currently, I see 'come undone' loaded with "negative", "positive" (as in John Travolta and others lyrics) nuances. As for the "neutral" ones, to be digged out.

...
When the wood is carved
it becomes useful
yet the sage remains ...
with the uncarved

Certainly, when ready with all my corpora, I intend to do the most extensive overview on 'come undone', covering among others (Gamera/Wikipedia, Dictionaries) and my latest supermine - the 'reddit' corpus of CSV(JSON) lines (~1.8TB strong) featuring 2+ billion comments - to see what common folks (as those building UD) have to say about ... usage of mainstream English. Simply, I will look up as many as possible usages of 'come undone' and will make my own rating of the literal/figurative senses.

He learns not to learn and reverts to what all men pass by.
Topic: 'come undone' throughout lyrics
Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:49:43 AM
leonAzul wrote:

In this example I would apply the notion of "become unraveled", like a tightly twisted rope. The sense, to me, is that the speaker's composure, or "coolth", has been disturbed by his emotions.

My memory is often faulty, but I believe the word "coolth" was invented by Harlan Ellison as an antonym to "warmth": something warm has warmth, so something cool ought to have "coolth".
Dancing


Cool/hot mintage is 'coolth'.
One way of looking at it using your digital analogy, the stack is shuffled:
-1 Come undone
0 Coolth
+1 Warmth

In a way, 'come undone' equals your 'nullified' state - devoid of control/passion/temperature - which is what my 'get down' maps onto.
I start to think 'come undone' points to a zennish state where the person losses one's baggage and returns to the original unburdened state.

He learns not to learn and reverts to what all men pass by.
Topic: 'come undone' throughout lyrics
Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:33:15 PM
Thanks.

GIGO resembles WYSIWYG, the UD might be called the 'Trash Dictionary' easily or more poetically 'The Garbage Collector Dictionary' or the even more stylized "Goodwill Dictionary", Applause
...
What you know about rockin' a wolf on your noggin?
What you knowin' about wearin' a fur fox skin?
I'm digging, I'm digging, I'm searching right through that luggage
One man's trash, that's another man's come-up
Thank your granddad for donating that plaid button-up shirt
'Cause right now I'm up in her stuntin'
I'm at the Goodwill, you can find me in the (Uptons)
I'm not, I'm not stuck, I'm searchin' in that section (Uptons)
...
/MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - THRIFT SHOP FEAT. WANZ/

Love that song/clip, "(Goodwill... poppin' tags... yeah!)" is my thing too. The snobbish attitude in shopping or in language is beautifully exposed inthere.
Love 'Urban Dictionary' for its asitisness, to hyphen it - as-it-is-ness Boo hoo!

As for, ambient, yes, there is even a "style" in music called that, but as you said it is mapped onto environment as well, I think mostly on the latter. The main feature of such not foreground music being soothing and surrounding - not "invasive".

The digital ... analogy you have been giving - me likey, again.

leonAzul wrote:

'Votes' for the 'best' definition at UD are more typically for the most amusing rather than the most accurate.
;-)


Yes, yet these thumbuppers are the common folk that I would ask for "mainstreamish" living language hints.

As for adding some additional nuances (or rather different notions) my desire is to look up more closely to the usages, I see more to it (not just the most popular).

...
I like it when I feel your touch
I like it...
I like it so much
I like it when we're one on one
I like it when we come undone
I like it when we go to extremes
...
/Narcotic Thrust - 'I like it'/

Context #0,000,000,025 (680bytes or less long) holding the 'come undone' pattern found at line #0,000,581,199:
[...rl (I'm in love with)
Girl, girl, girl (I'm in love with)
Girl, girl
",A Girl Like You
John Travolta,"I don't know what I like about you, baby
But I'm wakin' up in firelight
Spinning like a crazy wheel
Feels so good to be in love again
I don't know why I love to love you, baby
But your touchin' somethin' in my soul
Suddenly I've come undone
Feels so good to be in love again

And I'm not questioning what's goin' on today
Whatever's happenin' don't let it go away
And I say I don't know what I like about you, baby
Maybe, it's you

And I'm not questioning what's goin' on today
A million 'thank you, babe's would just get in the way
So I say I don't know what...] /Lyrics_for_500000+_songs_in_English/

My take is that 'come undone' is used in above two instances as 'get down' variant i.e. lowering the inhibitions and become open to the surrounding mood, no?

He learns not to learn and reverts to what all men pass by.

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