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Topic: "Number" is plural?
Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:11:56 PM
NancyUK wrote:
Some words, such as 'number', have so many different meanings and uses that it's difficult to know and understand them all. However, I find it a good starting point to trawl through all the definitions, and see if you can find one that fits the bill/makes sense. In this case, the following seems to pretty much cover it (from TFD):

number n

Usage Note: As a collective noun number may take either a singular or a plural verb. It takes a singular verb when it is preceded by the definite article the: The number of skilled workers is small. It takes a plural verb when preceded by the indefinite article a: A number of the workers are unskilled.

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As to why this might be, although not a grammatical or etymological explanation, it seems to me that in the first case it is the number that is the focus of the sentence. The sentence could be simplified to "the number is small" and still make sense. Whereas in the second case, it is the workers who are the focus of the sentence, and the simplified sentence would read "the workers are unskilled". If you said "the workers are small" it would have an entirely different meaning!

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I think that the same goes for:

group n

Usage Note: Group as a collective noun can be followed by a singular or plural verb. It takes a singular verb when the persons or things that make up the group are considered collectively: The dance group is ready for rehearsal. Group takes a plural verb when the persons or things that constitute it are considered individually: The group were divided in their sympathies.

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So to sum up, it seems that in both cases if it is the collective (number, group) that is the focus, a singular verb is used and if it is the individuals (workers, members of a group) that make up the collective are the focus, the plural verb is used.

Just adding my two penn'orth to RuthP's excellent explanation above.Applause


That makes sense.

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Topic: One more Q about sentence construction.
Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:07:23 PM
NancyUK wrote:
LCouperin wrote:
The downward deflection to the A represents a failure to achieve a stable apex tone, as occurs in the basic motif.

What occurs in the basic motif? Is it a stable apex tone, or a failure to achieve a stable apex tone?


I agree with the point you raise in your question, i.e. that this sentence could be read either way.

I don't think there is any way to determine which of the opposing meanings is intended as the sentence is written, (that the stable apex tone occurs in the basic motif, or that the failure to achieve a stable apex tone occurs in the basic motif), except perhaps I would be a tiny bit more inclined to think that the phrase which is placed nearest to the verb is the one meant, i.e. that the stable apex tone is what occurs in the basic motif.

However, with this unclear sentence construction I would not have very high confidence in that suggestion. I think if it was just changed as follows, that it would be clear:

The downward deflection to the A represents a failure to achieve a stable apex tone, such as occurs in the basic motif.

With this construction, I think it is clear that such as occurs ... refers to the stable apex tone, and not to the failure to achieve it.


Thanks very big for the reply. It's unfortunate that there isn't a "default" interpretation. Congress needs to get on this right away!




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Topic: One more Q about sentence construction.
Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:57:23 PM
The downward deflection to the A represents a failure to achieve a stable apex tone, as occurs in the basic motif.

What occurs in the basic motif? Is it a stable apex tone, or a failure to achieve a stable apex tone?

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Topic: Is this sentence construction unclear?
Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:50:51 PM
In both of these occurrences the apex tone is marked sforzando. This is critical and may be interpreted to mean that the apex of each figure is a goal to be reached.

I want "this" to refer to the entire preceeding sentence. Or does "this" only refer to "apex tone"?

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Topic: "Number" is plural?
Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 11:01:43 PM
Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
There were a number of people on a bus stop. Dancing Anxious Drool Applause Eh? Whistle Dancing

The bus didn't arrive on schedule so they began to wonder, Think d'oh! Not talking Pray Eh? Think Boo hoo! but had still some hope the bus would arrive soon.

After an hour or two there was a group of Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall

Whistle


But my point is that "a number" is singular.

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Topic: "Number" is plural?
Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 5:43:42 PM
I understand that the expression "There are a number of...." is correct, while "There is a number of ...." is incorrect. But we don't say "There are a group of people...," but, "There is a group of people...." Why the inconsistency?

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Topic: How do I combat perfectionism?
Posted: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 3:12:23 PM
HWNN1961 wrote:
I was going to say, hire a teenager to be your friend, perhaps some sloppy habits and sloth will rub off onto you, but seriously:

Agree with the posts suggesting that you have someone edit.

Also, be clear in your mind what you are trying to achieve. Have clear goals, once they are met, you should know when to put down the pen or step away from the keyboard. If your goals are unclear, then you'll always have a sense that the job may be incomplete.


Your signature indicates that you advocate Kant's categorical imperative. No?

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Topic: Please help with one more Q about antecedents!
Posted: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 2:00:32 PM
"The last 4 bars of the scherzo then present an ascending arpeggio in the left hand, which may be interpreted as a free inversion of the previous scherzo passages."

Sorry to be a pain, but I'm confused about pronoun-antecedent agreement.

What is the antecedent of "which"? It seems that it should be "ascending arpeggio in the left hand" because it's the object of the previous clause. But according to the "rule", the antecedent is the closest person or thing, in this case "hand". But that wouldn't make sense -- a hand cannot be a "free inversion." So what's the dealio? Does logic trump word order? Please help!!

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Topic: Who says the antecendent of a pronoun can't be a clause?
Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:08:30 PM
In the sentence, "Sparky ate the entire pizza, which alarmed Martha," technically the antecedent is "pizza". But that hardly makes sense. I've found only one reference that claimed the antecedent can be a clause. Is all this a matter of personal preference? Writers sometimes ignore the "rules". E.g., Jane Austen frequently used "their" as a third person singular pronoun.

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Topic: How do I combat perfectionism?
Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:02:27 PM
My writing project has become bogged down because I'm never satisfied with my writing. What should I do?

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