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Topic: opera
Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 5:45:27 PM
Yes they do seem to be using the Latin style of letters! Whistle
Topic: Divorce
Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 5:14:28 PM
The word is both a verb and and adjective.
If you keep that difference in mind, it is clear.

It is a transitive verb with a direct object. No preposition.

She divorced her husband last year.
she has divorced her husband
She is divorcing her husband (it isn't yet finalised)
She recently divorced her third husband.

that is what she has done



It is an adjective with a preposition.
She is divorced
(It is self-evident that she is divorced from her husband, but if you were going to add that, it would take a preposition.)
She is newly divorced from her third husband.

That is her status

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She has married her fiancé
She is married to John.
Topic: Heard by VS. Heard of (phrasal verbs)
Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 3:06:33 PM
Trust yourself -you have the two parts, just put them together.
Just be aware what is there because it is the agent of the passive, and what is there because it is a preposition of a phrasal verb.

Start with the simple verb.

I heard a noise.

Then you can make that passive.
A noise was heard by me.


Then you can go to the phrasal verb 'to hear of something'.

I heard of the Bermuda Triangle

Then you can make that passive in exactly the same way.
The Bermuda Triangle was heard of by me.

(That is not a very natural sentence, but it is how you would construct the passive if you really wanted to.)
But then you have to ask - why would you ever want to make it passive?
That is a long and pointlessly complicated way of saying 'I have heard of the Bermuda Triangle'. It doesn't seem to add any meaning.

There are instances were you might want to say something like that, though.
This firm has never been heard of by anyone that I know.
No-one that I know has ever heard of this firm.

The two prepositions both have a place, one with the verb and one with the agent.
Topic: Is my assumption right?
Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 9:52:30 AM
edited

Not my area of expertise so I can't comment much, but....

If you are going by the definition that a clause has no finite verb, then saying 'in a clause, a noun phrase can be the subject or object of the verb' is complicated by the fact the only 'verb' may be a participle, and usually there will be no verb at all.

Isn't that fairly self-referential?
If it is the subject or direct object, it is a noun clause.
A noun clause can be the subject or object.

It doesn't in my mind seem to progress any useful knowledge. If the learners are getting to the point of recognising a subject, verb, object (which for speakers of most languages is not a difficult concept, even if the order my be strange) then do they benefit from knowing this?

I am not trying to be negative - it just feels like something a grammar textbook might need to say for purposes of terminology but nobody cares about if they just want to learn the language. It seems more effort to learn the metalanguage of grammar than to actually learn the target language.
Again, not trying to be negative, just curious. But the more I see people on this site bogged down in the semantics of grammar terminology, the less I see it being worth their while! So this post is more about that, I guess.
Topic: persistently
Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 7:49:14 AM


Yes, per - through


Except when the weather forecast says rain will 'persist'.
That doesn't seem to require a great amount of effort against opposition. Whistle
Topic: belly-up
Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 6:25:07 AM
Topic: a dinner the dinner dinner
Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 5:59:07 AM
uncountable - concept, idea
I cook dinner, you cook breakfast
I will be late for dinner.


countable - the object, the actual meal you can smell cooking
You would be unlikely to say 'a dinner' on its own, although it is possible. That is a dish of hot food.
Topic: Has been
Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 5:55:18 AM
He is the CEO.

He was the CEO six years ago, when the company expanded into dog biscuits.

He will be the CEO forever unless we vote to fire him.


For the last six years (from six years ago continuously up to the present moment) he _________ the CEO
Topic: persistently
Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 5:49:11 AM
Yes, that is my chosen tactic - the little-known martial art of Zen - get punched until the other guy passes out from exhaustion. Works every time. Never lost a fight yet. Whistle
Topic: what is wrong
Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 3:12:13 AM
This is pretty much like the other example in the other thread.

What is wrong -
My car won't start.
This is idiomatic - if something is wrong then you have a problem.

What wrong is
- doing something that causes harm to other people
Definition of 'wrong'.

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