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User Name: Epiphileon
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Interests: Nature, function, utilization, and potential development of consciousness
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Topic: Add Your Words to the List of "Words to Retire - 2017"
Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:00:39 AM
"going forward", because time travel it not a freaking possibility.

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Topic: Not on the Fourth of July.
Posted: Sunday, September 03, 2017 9:45:32 AM
Yeah Tuna, I know what you mean, even though I was born 10 years later. I have entirely lost hope a couple times, once in the mid 70's, resurrected it in the 80's, sort of completely checked out for the mid 90's and the first few years of this century, came back to what I thought was the worst it could get, only to be surprised for a while, then disappointed, to now being down right afraid, very afraid, for the long term view; however, like you I have far less time left on the planet than I've already spent on it, and I have family, a great job, and plenty of information available to astound and awe me, so oddly I am more happy, and content in life than ever.
(And apparantly still a contender for King of the run on sentence)

I fully realize that accepting contentedness actually makes me part of the problem, I have abnegated my duty to the species.* Oh I try to raise awareness a bit here and there, probably as a sop to my conscience, but you know after six, well four and a half, decades of getting flak for my appraisals of reality, I guess I'm just a bit tired of it all. It may be as well, a natural developmental thing, I would make no assertions along these lines but perhaps the "saving the world" attitude of earlier years passes with the years. I don't really know, and I'm not sure what, or even whether there is any point in doing anything about it at this point. And now I'm just rambling, have to do some more ruminating on it.



* I almost left the following in, but then decided it was veering away from what I meant. I seem to have a stuck queue to the memory of Joni Mitchell's song "Woodstock".
Maybe it's the time of life, or maybe its the time of man, I know who I am, and life is for learning.(unabashed bastardization, sorry Joni)

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Topic: Not on the Fourth of July.
Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 5:30:18 PM
Sorry Hope, I think my short answer was misleading, a militant revolution would be a disaster and of course would also fail to bring about anything good, even if it miraculously succeeded somehow. What would be needed is a revolution in thought, attitude, and morality, but sadly this seems increasingly unlikely with every passing year.

The really maddening thing is that the natural cycle is being exacerbated by purposeful effort, and I don't think it is lunatic fringe conspiracy theory to acknowledge this. I still doubt it is the organized effort of any one group, but there are a number of general groups, who in my opinion, are encouraging division, distraction, hedonism, anti-intellectualism, and promoting general malaise with the electorate.

I do believe the contagions of the disease that will bring about these aims were incubated and viralized* in the United States, the first hotbed of entirely unrestrained capitalism. The machinations of the great industrialists of the turn of the 19th to 20th century were largely thwarted, but those people and their ilk did not go away. They have been very big funders into research, both public and private, into the nature of human behavior, at every level of observation. They are back in my opinion, they are better armed than ever, and I see nothing that will stand in their way.

I don't know Hope, I use to harbor a reserve of genuine hope, thinking that people would wake up, that they would actually begin to look behind the curtain, but the smoke and mirrors of the great and powerful may have just gotten too far ahead of the curve, a curve that is being actively suppressed.

* sorry I was lazy and just invoked poetic license.

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Topic: Not on the Fourth of July.
Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:38:10 AM
Hope123 wrote:
Epi, what is it you think needs to be done to fix it?


Short answer, nothing short of revolution. It's the first day of school however, and I have to go pick up the kids.

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Topic: This One's for the "Old" Folks 😀
Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 4:24:05 PM
Really glad this got bumped, I missed it the first time around. She is hilarious. Thanks Hope

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Topic: Not on the Fourth of July.
Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:23:18 PM
tunaafi wrote:

Actually, Epi, I don't think we have many US haters here. Many of us are appalled by the words and actions of the current president. Some of us despair at the way successive US governments have meddled in the affairs of other countries, leading to untold suffering for millions of people.

But most of don't hate the United States of America or the American people.


Thank you Tuna, yes I know, the few that are though are as I said.

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Topic: Not on the Fourth of July.
Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:33:26 AM
TheParser wrote:

I am confident that the silent majority of members and guests are too intelligent to be fooled by the United States haters' hot air.


But what about addressing the content of the OP?

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Topic: Not on the Fourth of July.
Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:31:07 AM
Hope123 wrote:
I don't know why, Epi. Probably because the US is like every other country with people who are preoccupied with just trying to survive and somehow have a decent life in this weird situation we call Life.

High Hope, Thank you for replying, and I must comment on your apparent aside here. Yes, absolutely our lives are not only a weird but in fact, a totally bizarre experience that we are still largely ignorant, or misinformed, on how to proceed with. Alas that is an entirely different topic, more suited to the philosophy forum. (Although I wonder if the level of interest in topics other than politics, warrants the effort to try and discuss other matters here anymore. I admit to being largely inactive over the last year. I have been very distracted by my own weird situation; however, we obtained what I thought was an incredibly unlikely result of the last years efforts, and managed to secure a permanent domicile.) I have checked in on a fairly regular basis, but I have no stomach for political debate, and as I said, not much else seems to go on anymore. Anyway....

Hope123 wrote:
I don't know why, Epi. Probably because the US is like every other country with people who are preoccupied with just trying to survive and somehow have a decent life...

Yes exactly this is one of the symptoms, one of my reasons for presenting this thread was to see if people identified this one, as well as why, and how, this came to pass. It has not always been this way in this country, or the others that have exhibited this rise and fall cycle.

Hope wrote:
I believe it is greed, often to the point of selfishness, and the lack of empathy for other people, and not just for those who are similar but those who look, think, and feel differently.

This is also a characteristic of a particular point in the historic cycle; however, what I find curious, is that the knowledge of this cycle has been well known for some time now, yet how well disseminated has it been? Considering the dire consequences of this cycle, why has bringing more attention to it, not been a major priority?

Hope wrote:
Maybe the Chinese and other cultures who have put the group first rather than the individual first have a point.


Actually this ideal used to be a part of the American character, even in my lifetime we still had leaders appealing to it,
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country." John F. Kennedy January 20, 1961
BTW I would mark the beginning of the US decline at the assassination of this man, and the last hope for averting or even delaying it, more so with the assassination of his brother. "The Life and Times of Robert Kennedy, is one of the most memorable books I've ever read.

Hope wrote:
I'm not sure the picture is as bleak as you fear,

Had to chuckle at this Hope, I actually soft peddled my position. The larger issue here, the one at the next level of observation, is well into very bleak territory.

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Topic: Not on the Fourth of July.
Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 7:36:26 AM
[Although there will no doubt be political content to many of the replies to this thread, I'm posting it in this forum because I do not see this as primarily a political phenomenon, at its root it is cultural.]

I know now that somewhere in my mind I had to know this day was coming, but minds are very good at fooling themselves. Minds are particularly good at not acknowledging the mortality of those they love very dearly, even if those things are an idea, or an ideal, and their passing will be mourned if not as keenly as a beloved person, the grief is nevertheless profound.

There is also anger, lots of anger, at lots of people, for this ideal did not die of natural causes, it was murdered by both conniving and neglect. Conniving on the part of powerful people whose lust for wealth and power has corrupted "the great experiment". Anger at the researchers who have perfected the art of propaganda to the point that masses of people can be, basically brainwashed into accepting total bullshit stories about the causation of various social conditions, and the motivations of people who pretend to be guardians, and providers of social health.

Anger at the self serving, materialistic, capitalists that are orchestrating the mass deception of we the people, and dismantling the systems that were instituted to protect us from their machinations. And finally anger at us who have allowed this to happen, the us who were once so proudly we the people, but who have through laziness, acceptance of an apparent status quo, and a complete lack of applying vigilant critical thinking to the bullshit being slung over us, have become so meekly, we the sheeple.

It seems just wishful thinking to try and go on not accepting the evidence. Like the great civilizations before it, from the Hittites, Assyrians, and Babylonians, to the Moguls, Austrians, and British, the United States of America's peak is behind it, and its decline in free fall.

There is a fairly good case that the US may have been the first nation to have the necessary information, and the technology to widely disseminate it, to avert its participation in this historic cycle.

So why didn't it?

I realize I'm opening the door for some of the rabid, practically foaming at the fingertip US haters, that so ardently spew their irrational rants here, never at all seeing they are just as guilty of a lack of reason than the most jingoistic of my countrymen, but as I reflected on the state of my nation on this last 4th of July, I realized I was not celebrating the anniversary of the birth of the “Great Experiment” but the death of that bold endeavor.

So again, why did “we the people” let this happen? I have my own notions, but I am curious what some of you think are the signs, symptoms, and causes of the terminal illness that I have become convinced the US suffers from. Or whether you even agree that it does.

ETA Please note this is not a commentary on the current administration, the dynamic is, in a way, independent of of the specific variables of politics.

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Topic: a time machine?
Posted: Saturday, August 26, 2017 4:34:52 AM
almo 1 wrote:
leonAzul wrote:
almo 1 wrote:

I guess I know who he/she is.

Are you beginning to sniff a peck of Peter's peppers?
Whistle

No, not him; and it may just be in my mind.Think

But Almo, it is only an illusion that anything exists anywhere else.

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