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In song and dance man expresses himself as a member of a higher community: he has forgotten how to walk and speak and is on the way toward flying up into the air, dancing.

Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)
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We love life, not because we are used to living but because we are used to loving.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/f/friedrich_nietzsche.html#CY6Vb4j0GrlTvJ8r.99
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No man was ever yet a great poet, without being… I think that's exactly the case, even if happen once in a while, like all miracles do.
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In song and dance man expresses himself as a member of a higher community: he has forgotten how to walk and speak and is on the way toward flying up into the air, dancing.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)

Yes, people forget how important the simple, every-day joys of life are.... and without them life becomes fake soaring... back to basics for the sake of sincerity to oneself!

Or in order to deal with broader issues, and soar higher for the good of the world, one has to forget one's helplessness and immediate circumstances.
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I like crazy when writing such beautiful words. I think being a philosopher and a writer involves craziness to some extent.
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From "The Birth of Tragedy" - Apollo And Dionysius

"Under the charm of the Dionysian not only is the union between man and man reaffirmed, but nature which has become alienated, hostile, or subjugated, celebrates once more her reconciliation with her lost son, man. The chariot of Dionysius is covered with flowers and garlands; panthers and tigers walk under its yoke. Transform Beethoven’s “Hymn to Joy” into a painting; let your imaginations conceive the multitudes bowing to the dust, awestruck — then you will approach the Dionysian


"In song and in dance man expresses himself as a member of a higher community; he has forgotten how to walk and speak and is on the way toward flying into the air, dancing. His very gestures express enchantment. Just as the animals now talk and the earth yields milk and honey, supernatural sounds emanate from him too: he feels himself a god, he himself now walks about enchanted, in ecstasy, like the gods he saw walking in his dreams. He is no longer an artist, he has become a work of art: in these paroxysms of intoxication the artistic power of all nature reveals itself to the highest gratification of the primordial unity. The noblest clay, the most costly marble, man is here kneaded and cut, and to the sound of the chisel strokes of the Dionysian world-artist rings out the cry of the Eleusinian mysteries: "Do you prostrate yourselves millions? Do you sense your Maker, world?"

http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/birthoftragedy/themes.html
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monamagda wrote:
From "The Birth of Tragedy" - Apollo And Dionysius

.. ... ...
"In song and in dance man expresses himself as a member of a higher community; he has forgotten how to walk and speak and is on the way toward flying into the air, dancing. His very gestures express enchantment. Just as the animals now talk and the earth yields milk and honey, supernatural sounds emanate from him too: he feels himself a god, he himself now walks about enchanted, in ecstasy, like the gods he saw walking in his dreams. He is no longer an artist, he has become a work of art: in these paroxysms of intoxication the artistic power of all nature reveals itself to the highest gratification of the primordial unity. The noblest clay, the most costly marble, man is here kneaded and cut, and to the sound of the chisel strokes of the Dionysian world-artist rings out the cry of the Eleusinian mysteries: "Do you prostrate yourselves millions? Do you sense your Maker, world?"

http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/birthoftragedy/themes.html


--wow this passage is beautiful! Delightfully written.

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No ego issues for men dancing with their partner...just respect and dance
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I cannot imagine Nietzsche dancing.
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He did once it is claimed. With a horse.

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pedro wrote:
He did once it is claimed. With a horse.


I would like to watch that, claimed or not.
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he looked at the West and was lost. Maybe he should look at the East, and may be saved.
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never saw Nietzsche as much of a dancer . . .
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io4yiu wrote:
monamagda wrote:
From "The Birth of Tragedy" - Apollo And Dionysius

.. ... ...
"In song and in dance man expresses himself as a member of a higher community; he has forgotten how to walk and speak and is on the way toward flying into the air, dancing. His very gestures express enchantment. Just as the animals now talk and the earth yields milk and honey, supernatural sounds emanate from him too: he feels himself a god, he himself now walks about enchanted, in ecstasy, like the gods he saw walking in his dreams. He is no longer an artist, he has become a work of art: in these paroxysms of intoxication the artistic power of all nature reveals itself to the highest gratification of the primordial unity. The noblest clay, the most costly marble, man is here kneaded and cut, and to the sound of the chisel strokes of the Dionysian world-artist rings out the cry of the Eleusinian mysteries: "Do you prostrate yourselves millions? Do you sense your Maker, world?"

http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/birthoftragedy/themes.html


--wow this passage is beautiful! Delightfully written.


Yes, I think so! Nietzsche was the most sensitive, poetic, romantic and delicate creature I may have read.

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his is very class conscience
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Sounds to me that he wrote this after going insane.


We should look to the past to learn from it, not destroy our future because of it — FounDit
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ChristopherJohnson wrote:
I cannot imagine Nietzsche dancing.


Yes ,He did ,wearing a Froidian slip....
Milica Boghunovich
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striker wrote:
his is very class conscience


Actually it's not about social class, but about rising above the tragedy of corruption that people have produced in living their living death instead of healthy life recognizing the Maker every point of "now".
Omar Mariani
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This is my problem, obviously. I am not bright enough to make head or tail of what this great philosopher said. To me, the whole thing sounds nonsensical, but as I have said it is my fault
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Here is a slightly different translation. I apologize for repeating Monamagda's post, but I find there is no good way to remove a post once it has been put up.

From: The Birth of Tragedy -- Out of the Spirit of Music

A slightly different translation by Ian Johnston
Vancouver Island University, Nanaimo, British Columbia Canada

"If someone were to transform Beethoven's Ode to Joy into a painting and not restrain his imagination when millions of people sink dramatically into the dust, then we could come close to the Dionysian. Now the slave a free man; now all the stiff, hostile barriers break apart, those things which necessity and arbitrary power or “saucy fashion” have established between men. Now, with the gospel of world harmony, every man feels himself not only united with his neighbour, reconciled and fused together, but also as one with him, as if the veil of Maja had been ripped apart, with only scraps fluttering around in the face of the mysterious primordial unity. Singing and dancing, man expresses himself as a member of a higher community: he has forgotten how to walk and talk and is on the verge of flying up into the air as he dances. The enchantment speaks out in his gestures. Just as the animals now speak and the earth gives milk and honey, so something supernatural also echoes out of him: he feels himself a god; he himself now moves in as lofty and ecstatic a way as he saw the gods move in his dream. The man is no longer an artist; he has become a work of art: the artistic power of all of nature, to the highest rhapsodic satisfaction of the primordial unity, reveals itself here in the transports of intoxication. The finest clay, the most expensive marble — man — is here worked and chiselled, and the cry of the Eleusinian mysteries rings out to the chisel blows of the Dionysian world artist: 'Do you fall down, you millions? World, do you have a sense of your creator?'"

"To read without reflecting is like eating without digesting." -- Edmund Burke
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"...Nietzsche was, and remains, one of the most rewarding writers and thinkers who ever lived--but you have to learn how to read him, just as you have to learn to drill for oil, or pan for gold, or dig for diamonds. And, like these, there is much of silt and mud and rock in his works that must be discarded in the process." -- "Why do we always expect education without effort?" by Sydney Harris

"There was never a genius without a tincture of madness." -- Aristotle
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Good thought..........
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