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Daemon
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Great men need to be lifted upon the shoulders of the whole world, in order to conceive their great ideas or perform their great deeds. That is, there must be an atmosphere of greatness round about them. A hero cannot be a hero unless in a heroic world.

Nathaniel Hawthorne (1804-1864)
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The greatest obstacle to being heroic is the doubt whether one may not be going to prove one's self a fool; the truest heroism is to resist the doubt; and the profoundest wisdom, to know when it ought to be resisted, and when it be obeyed.

Nathaniel Hawthorne
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How can a hero be a hero if the world is heroic already?
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Daemon wrote:
Great men need to be lifted upon the shoulders of the whole world, in order to conceive their great ideas or perform their great deeds. That is, there must be an atmosphere of greatness round about them. A hero cannot be a hero unless in a heroic world.

Nathaniel Hawthorne (1804-1864)


Ah, that explains their scarcity. "Show me a Hero, and I'll write you a Tragedy" said F. Scott Fitzgerald.
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Must be quoted as a GREAT PHRASE BY A GREAT PERSON.....heroes in heroic world, that's self discoveryApplause
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Too bad, as well as great scoundrels… Greatness isn't that foolproof idea after all.
Joy Frohlich
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To be a hero in a world of heroes sounds rather like being a fish in a fish pond! I would say they need to be lifted on the shoulders of men for their heroism to be recognised, and for them to have influence. Thinking of people like Martin Luther or Ghandi, or if we include women Malala Yousafzai or Grace Darling, they were heroic long before being "lifted on the shoulders of the whole world". I suspect this quote would make more sense in its context.
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It is a great pity that so many of todays politicians see themselves as "Great Men" (and ladies) supported by the rest of the world, but in reality are just egotistical parasites crawling up and sucking the lifeblood out of the tree which is the general population.

John M Murray: Semi-retired International Consultant, Coach & Public Speaker, South Africa
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A great man in one country is reviled in another. Truly great people will win acclaim for through their thoughts, words and actions. They don't need lifting by the hoi polloi.

All good ideas arrive by chance- Max Ernst
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It's too long and too grandiloquent.
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Truly great man derive their thoughts from within themselves.

The world loves talent but pays off on character. (John Gardner, 1982)
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Gan Ye Hern wrote:
How can a hero be a hero if the world is heroic already?

I tend to agree. What is a heroic world anyway?

When you make an assumption, you make an ass of u & umption! - NeuroticHellFem
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Gan Ye Hern wrote:
How can a hero be a hero if the world is heroic already?


Hero comes out of a troubled world --- A Chinese Proverb
Dr WWWW
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"If I have seen further it is by standing on ye sholders of Giants."

Isaac Newton in a letter to Robert Hooke (15 February 1676)


"To read without reflecting is like eating without digesting." -- Edmund Burke
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Vit Babenco wrote:
It's too long and too grandiloquent.


Just like everything that you post, only you are a bit shorter.
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Every person on this planet is a hero who stands against the wars, military evil, addictive persons' immorality, and other forms of injustice through positive action, not just words. Every person on this planet is a hero who offers constructive ways to re-channel military people to do rescue work and other humanitarian work instead of wars and killing. Every person is a hero who can overcome his/her own weaknesses and rise above the "box" and the collective cave with positive action.
Milica Boghunovich
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Ozolinsh V. wrote:
Vit Babenco wrote:
It's too long and too grandiloquent.


Just like everything that you post, only you are a bit shorter.


Ad hominem!
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Daemon wrote:
Great men need to be lifted upon the shoulders of the whole world, in order to conceive their great ideas or perform their great deeds. That is, there must be an atmosphere of greatness round about them. A hero cannot be a hero unless in a heroic world.

Nathaniel Hawthorne (1804-1864)


Great men need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, first, then at least lift themselves upon the shoulders of the whole world if they want a free ride
while conceiving their great ideas or performing their great deeds.
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When it comes to the pinch, human beings are heroic. George Orwell
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Dr WWWW wrote:

"If I have seen further it is by standing on ye sholders of Giants."

Isaac Newton in a letter to Robert Hooke (15 February 1676)


Newton and Hooke hated each other, (Hooke seemed to make enemies easily) and Hooke was short and sensitive about it. This has been interpreted as a jibe against Hooke.

Newton gets all the fame, and Hooke was largely forgotten, because he got on the wrong side of Newton. But Hooke was the greater genius!Whistle
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I think Pedro has a real good point. After all, millions of people thought Hitler was their Hero.
Omar Mariani
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It has always been the hour that has brought forth the man.- And by the hour, we mean all the circumstances, the right kind of conditioning, the ripe time for something to happen, etc
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Fatuous castigate to heroes is easy to practice but taking action as them is difficult in this modern world.
Paris Bashta
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In general, everything in human understanding must have a point of reference. i.e., 'Grateness' means different things to different people. I like Nathaniael Hawthorn, and believe that this quote has being taken out of passage, which belongs to a particular case scenario. Hence, this quote is Universally inapplicable.
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The subject quotation comes from : Hawthorne.—American Note-Books, May 7, 1850. Find it on line: http://www.eldritchpress.org/nh/pfanb.html

American Note-Books contains Hawthorne's observations and many diary-like notes of his life experiences between 1835-1853.
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