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Pope Pius IX Defines Immaculate Conception as Dogma (1854) Options
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Pope Pius IX Defines Immaculate Conception as Dogma (1854)

The Immaculate Conception is the Roman Catholic dogma that asserts that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was preserved from the stain of original sin—the condition of sin that marks all humans as a result of Adam's first act of disobedience—at the moment of her conception. In 1709, Pope Clement XI made the feast of the Immaculate Conception a holy day of obligation—145 years before it became official church dogma. The Immaculate Conception is often confused with what other church doctrine? More...
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The answer is:

The Immaculate Conception should not be confused with the perpetual virginity of Mary or the virgin birth of Jesus; it refers to the conception of Mary by her mother, Saint Anne.

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The Alleged Perpetual Virginity of Mary

This tract appeared about a.d. 383. The question which gave occasion to it was whether the Mother of our Lord remained a Virgin after His birth. Helvidius maintained that the mention in the Gospels of the sisters and brethren of our Lord was proof that the Blessed Virgin had subsequent issue, and he supported his opinion by the writings of Tertullian and Victorinus. The outcome of his views was that virginity was ranked below matrimony. Jerome vigorously takes the other side, and tries to prove that the sisters and brethren spoken of, were either children of Joseph by a former marriage, or first cousins, children of the sister of the Virgin. A detailed account of the controversy will be found in Farrar's Early Days of Christianity, pp. 124 sq. When Jerome wrote this treatise both he and Helvidius were at Rome, and Damasus was Pope.
Jerome maintains against Helvidius three propositions:—

1st. That Joseph was only putatively, not really, the husband of Mary.

2d. That the brethren of the Lord were his cousins, not his own brethren.

3d. That virginity is better than the married state.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3007.htm

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Wasn't Pius IX also the one who proclaimed his own infallibility?

How very convenient.

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Well a whole string of antecedents will be breathing a huge sigh of relief over this. Or perhaps not.

It's probably a good time to redefine pi and e and a few dimensionless physical constants. Got to let the church know that we can keep up.

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And thus I became a devout atheist.
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I am sure you are right Mr. McRout. I have never believed in papal infallibility, especially popes have often contradicted their predecessors. I find the Immaculate Conception of Mary a quite illogical doctrine because if Mary had no original sin then Saint Anne and Mary's father must also have had no original sin, and so on. However, I do believe in the virgin birth and both honour Mary and Joseph. I think it is where honour becomes worship, there is a problem.
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Thank you sir Pope for voicing and showing your ignorance. Now they will probably make you a saint, another dumb action of that church. Why doesn't the church make saints of all those people that were butchered and killed for the distorted lies perpetrated by the church? Better still, make saints of those that pretested the pedophile's within the priesthood...Yah, that will never happen....
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I always find it quite incredible that this 'stuff' is believed by so many!
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Such utter rot! I agree that it is incredible that seemingly intelligent people believe the lies and deceptions of the Catholic Church.
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Not talking
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It is believed by millions.

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Well said LRai.
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Beliefs about religion or God are like noses. Everybody has one. It is interesting to discuss until it gets ugly. This exchange was relatively mild compared to some I have witnessed. It seems a difficult subject for some to discuss without becoming abusive.
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