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Daemon
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With men he can be rational and unaffected, but when he has ladies to please, every feature works.

Jane Austen (1775-1817)
JUSTIN Excellence
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I am here to speak and only to speak... Surely I have the right to tell you of thoughts that, unexpressed, would by their violence soon shatter my heart to dust. I have tried again and again to let you know in other ways of the torment I was enduring, but you would not listen to me. Is it so surprising that I should have seized this kindly opportunity? Do not, however, think me worse than I am. Provoke me as you may, I swear to you that I will do no more than frame in words the turmoil that I can no longer lock up unuttered in my breast.






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NeuroticHellFem
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JUSTIN Excellence has boggled my mind again. Is this an Austen quote?

When you make an assumption, you make an ass of u & umption! - NeuroticHellFem
Jagadeesh Bangalore
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Daemon wrote:
With men he can be rational and unaffected, but when he has ladies to please, every feature works.

Jane Austen (1775-1817)


Is there a single word (adjective) for this description (or such character)? Think



To 'BE' or to 'AE' ?!!
moniquester
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Ah Jane, you must have known the same men I do...

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MechPebbles
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But don't women like to be treated that way, even if it's not fully sincere?
monamagda
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The quote in context:

From Emma - Chapter 13


After a few minutes of entire silence between them, John Knightley began with --

"I never in my life saw a man more intent on being agreeable than Mr. Elton. It is downright labour to him where ladies are concerned. With men he can be rational and unaffected, but when he has ladies to please every feature works."

"Mr. Elton's manners are not perfect," replied Emma; "but where there is a wish to please, one ought to overlook, and one does overlook a great deal. Where a man does his best with only moderate powers, he will have the advantage over negligent superiority. There is such perfect good temper and good will in Mr. Elton as one cannot but value."


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Bully_rus
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He can't help but be pleasant for women? It may be an insatiable appetite just as a lack of discernment. Anyway, there's more nasty things in this world...
IMcRout
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@JB: He's a sucker for women.

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Jagadeesh Bangalore
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Thanks IMcRout,

But, the word 'sucker' seems to be a generic noun, which can mean a weak personality, showing weakness of any kind (many kinds?). I was actually looking for an adjective or noun, describing such a person having an inherent weakness to please women.




To 'BE' or to 'AE' ?!!
FounDit
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Jagadeesh Bangalore wrote:
Thanks IMcRout,

But, the word 'sucker' seems to be a generic noun, which can mean a weak personality, showing weakness of any kind (many kinds?). I was actually looking for an adjective or noun, describing such a person having an inherent weakness to please women.


Such a man elevates women too highly, placing them on pedestals, and feels too strongly, the need to accommodate.

Perhaps the word you seek is obsequious, although it can apply to trying to please anyone.


We should look to the past to learn from it, not destroy our future because of it — FounDit
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Mr Elton is just being polite isn't he? Gentlemen did that in those days when women were ladies and not the pint-swilling, whooping, tattooed West Ham supporters of today.Whistle

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Verbatim
Posted: Monday, October 6, 2014 3:33:51 PM
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Daemon wrote:
With men he can be rational and unaffected, but when he has ladies to please, every feature works.

Jane Austen (1775-1817)


Philip Elton, the good vicar in his quest for a rich dowry is indeed obsequious, fawning and "intent on being agreeable" to women, but he comes across
to Emma--a social dilettante with pretenses to matchmaking abilities-- as having, if not perfect manners, "such perfect good temper and good will .. as one cannot but value."

And no wonder, since Mr. Elton was out to please Emma first and foremost, whose dowry he was hunting for, even as Emma was out to match him with someone else.
Fredric-frank Myers
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Thank you Jane and yes, man does "think" with that mid section of his anatomy, when it comes to women and numerous other things, as well.........
TB Turtle
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Sincerity is always the key mainstay of any relationship. What a relief for men, they don't have to follow around Used Car salesmen to copy their technique.
The Dementor
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so troo
Dosei Iantha Evans
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but sometimes it backfires...Think
excaelis
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Jagadeesh Bangalore wrote:
Daemon wrote:
With men he can be rational and unaffected, but when he has ladies to please, every feature works.

Jane Austen (1775-1817)


Is there a single word (adjective) for this description (or such character)? Think




Excaelis, is, I believe, the word you seek...Angel

Sanity is not statistical
Jagadeesh Bangalore
Posted: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:48:56 PM

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Angel
FounDit wrote:
Jagadeesh Bangalore wrote:
Thanks IMcRout,

But, the word 'sucker' seems to be a generic noun, which can mean a weak personality, showing weakness of any kind (many kinds?). I was actually looking for an adjective or noun, describing such a person having an inherent weakness to please women.


Such a man elevates women too highly, placing them on pedestals, and feels too strongly, the need to accommodate.

Perhaps the word you seek is obsequious, although it can apply to trying to please anyone.


@FounDit:
Thanks FounDit.

@Excaelis:
Are you boasting or showing off ?! Angel



To 'BE' or to 'AE' ?!!
excaelis
Posted: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:19:34 PM

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All of the above, with references available on request Angel

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