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loureed4
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 8:14:06 AM

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Hello,

I am trying to make a sentence in English, but I feel doubtful:

-"He is an artist nobody remains unmoved with."

-"He is an artist with whom nobody remains unmoved."

Both feel awkward to me, but cannot figure out any other possible way to translate it into English.

Thanks in advance.


tunaafi
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 8:34:27 AM

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He's an artist whose work leaves nobody unmoved.
Parpar1836
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:03:50 AM
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Another possibility:

Nobody could be left unmoved by this artist's work.


dave freak
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:08:06 AM
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loureed4 wrote:
Hello,

I am trying to make a sentence in English, but I feel doubtful:

-"He is an artist nobody remains unmoved with."

-"He is an artist with whom nobody remains unmoved."

Both feel awkward to me, but cannot figure out any other possible way to translate it into English.

Thanks in advance.


Both are perfectly fine. Since the second is very formal, it is not used in speech. You were given great possibilities.
Romany
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:02:40 AM
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Loureed - perhaps some of your uneasiness is caused by use of the preposition 'with'?

One is moved BY something. I think this slip was what caused the sentence to sound rather strange in both your suggested sentences, perhaps. Both the other suggestions are valid.

DAVE -

I've seen before your contention that sentences using 'with whom', 'by whom', 'of whom' etc. are all very formal and are not used in speech.

I'm not sure quite where you got this idea from, however, I, my colleagues and friends/associates all use this form.

I, like most people, make use of lots of slang, new-fashion forms, bits of jargon, catch-phrases etc. But I never patronise people by talking 'down' to them and sacrificing correct grammar on the altar of "popular" speech.

It makes me feel somewhat excluded when you tell people it's not used in speech.Boo hoo! Because, even if it WAS never used in speech by others and I was the only person in the galaxy to use it, that wouldn't be true: it can't be said that it isn't used as long as even one person is using itDancing
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I agree with Romany regarding the preposition by. Also, I would use no one rather than nobody.
I would say:
"He is an artist by whom no one remains unmoved."
OR
"No one remains unmoved by his art."

I am another person on the planet who freely uses "by whom", "to whom", "from whom", etc., even in casual conversation, and I don't get any flack for it. People seem to like it.

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Romany
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:34:19 AM
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Yay! Way to go, AliceDancing

(Thanks for making me feel not quite so aloneBoo hoo! )
dave freak
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:44:27 AM
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I didn't say it was unusual to say so. I'm sure it's rarely used in conversation. I sometimes speak that way myself.

With whom do you work? Although it is kind of 'educated' language, or rather because of it, quite a few people would say so. I'm just referring to my experience.
towan52
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:57:19 AM

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Romany wrote:
Yay! Way to go, AliceDancing

(Thanks for making me feel not quite so aloneBoo hoo! )


Whom said that? Whistle

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Romany
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:00:41 AM
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Dave,

Yoh! You hangin' wid de wrong crew, bro!

And, uh, not to make too big a thing of it, but you DID say: Since the second is very formal, it is not used in speech
tunaafi
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:24:48 AM

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I am obliged to say that I deprecate the frivolous nature of the submissions of some of this neighbourhood's οἱ πολλοί, with whom I take issue over their seeming acceptance of substandard forms, the use of which should be eschewed by all who have had some, albeit limited, exposure to a sound education.
John Simmons
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Maybe "He is an artist about whom nobody remains unmoved."
tunaafi
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:23:18 PM

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John Simmons wrote:
Maybe "He is an artist about whom nobody remains unmoved."


'By' is the only preposition that works for me.

Welcome to the forum, John.
John Simmons
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I was thinking that the comment was not solely about the artist's work but about their personal celebrity or persona. Like in the case of a Lady Gaga sort of individual; you might like the music but be more startled by the artist's actions in public.
Alice M Toaster
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:47:03 PM

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John Simmons wrote:
I was thinking that the comment was not solely about the artist's work but about their personal celebrity or persona. Like in the case of a Lady Gaga sort of individual; you might like the music but be more startled by the artist's actions in public.
Welcome, John Simmons!
No dis on the Gaga, but I have the impression that the sentence is about an artist. Were it regarding a pop star, the OP probably wouldn't have consulted this particular forum.

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♡Borbotrincess♡
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I think those are fine.
Marva
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I also use whom when appropriate. There are more of us than you might think!
tunaafi
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I think we threatened whomers need some slogans. I propose:

Whomers of the world unite!

Save our Whoms!

To whom but not to who; there is no question!


I am writing our manifesto. I have begun:

It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single who in possession of a good preposition must be in want of an m.
loureed4
Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:27:19 AM

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Thanks a lot!.


Alice M Toaster
Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:09:47 AM

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tunaafi wrote:
I think we threatened whomers need some slogans. I propose:

Whomers of the world unite!

Save our Whoms!

To whom but not to who; there is no question!


I am writing our manifesto. I have begun:

It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single who in possession of a good preposition must be in want of an m.

Definitely #3, the green one. I look forward to the completed Manifesto!

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Romany
Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:33:07 PM
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I like it too - but how are we all going to get together to sign it with our quills?

From now on we can describe ourselves as people of good whom-er, can't we?
tunaafi
Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:35:40 PM

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Romany wrote:
From now on we can describe ourselves as people of good whom-er, can't we?


That was quite whomerous.
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