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Daemon
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Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without constraint.

Alexander Hamilton (1755-1804)
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The very same reason that religion was instituted thousands of years ago. The power of Reason requires exercise to maintain its strength--it's fairly atrophied in modern primates.
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Nowadays often people have in their souls more justice and reason than all government bureaucracies. Why must people conform to the dictates of stupidity, greed and corruption? That is a question...
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Why has democracy been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without constraint.
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Flam boyant wrote:
Why has democracy been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without constraint.



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I would say that in our times there are no governments at all. They pretend to be governments. It's for people only so that they could believe that they have some influence on what is going on.
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Seems like the only thing we do conform to is a minute of silence! It's powerful and no constraint involved. Perhaps it's due to its short duration as oppose to the constant conformity to the dictates of reason and justice..

De omnibus dubitandum est.
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Democracy is one of (not the only) the tools available to man to help them live in civil society. Man's tendency to gather in tribes and harm those who are not of their tribe is destructive and counter to the purpose of a civil society. Today we have the wealthy and powerful who have sabotaged civil society and are trying to turn it into their tribe, their weapon to use against other tribes.

The constraint has been vilified by these saboteurs, who foment violence against others in the name of their own tribe.

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A government is an institution required to regulate how two or more people should deal with one another. An individual on a desert island has no need for a government - nature will simply teach him the laws of survival. He will be totally free to respect natural laws and live or to violate them and die.

At the moment in which two or more people come to live together, we have a society. In any society people need to set rules that objectively determine what is real, true, and just. To do that, people need to think rationally so that individuals who are honest, truthful, and just are protected from those who practice dishonesty, fraud, and aggression. Therefore, a moral government should limit itself to have only one moral purpose: to protect the producers of wealth from the plunders of wealth, to protect the minorities from the abuses of the majority, recognizing, first of all, that the smallest minority to be protected is each single individual. For this reason, a government should be established by the people and be for the people's protection of their individual rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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Michael Flatley's Lord of the Finger dance?

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'Life is too short to be eaten up by hate.'
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Daemon wrote:
Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without constraint.

Alexander Hamilton (1755-1804)


When all human behavior is motivated by self-interest, governments are necessary to provide a check and a balance against individual greed. And, the news media is the necessary watch dog and check and balance for government. Who watches the watch dog?

"You reveal your character by what you do with what you have."
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Thomas Jefferson vs. Alexander Hamilton
THE CONSTITUTION (1781–1815)
Jefferson's Democratic-Republicans opposing Hamilton's Federalists.


Thomas Jefferson. Arguing that "that government is best which governs least," the strict constructionists desired a small federal government, one that would leave most power to the states and to the people. Jefferson wanted to ensure that government would charge few or no taxes, mostly leaving the people at liberty to pursue their own objectives free from government interference, he thought, would prevent the government from giving itself more and more unnecessary power over citizens' lives.

The broad constructionists led by Alexander Hamilton, argued for a much more powerful federal government and a much broader reading of the Necessary and Proper Clause. Hamilton, unlike Jefferson, wanted to use the federal government to pursue an aggressive strategy of industrialization and economic development. Hamilton's vision called for the government to organize banks, build roads, and invest in other useful infrastructure, all in the interest of transforming the young United States from a country of farmers into a thriving economic powerhouse.

http://www.apstudynotes.org/us-history/topics/development-of-the-two-party-system/
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monamagda wrote:
Thomas Jefferson vs. Alexander Hamilton
THE CONSTITUTION (1781–1815)
Jefferson's Democratic-Republicans opposing Hamilton's Federalists.


Thomas Jefferson. Arguing that "that government is best which governs least," the strict constructionists desired a small federal government, one that would leave most power to the states and to the people. Jefferson wanted to ensure that government would charge few or no taxes, mostly leaving the people at liberty to pursue their own objectives free from government interference, he thought, would prevent the government from giving itself more and more unnecessary power over citizens' lives.

The broad constructionists led by Alexander Hamilton, argued for a much more powerful federal government and a much broader reading of the Necessary and Proper Clause. Hamilton, unlike Jefferson, wanted to use the federal government to pursue an aggressive strategy of industrialization and economic development. Hamilton's vision called for the government to organize banks, build roads, and invest in other useful infrastructure, all in the interest of transforming the young United States from a country of farmers into a thriving economic powerhouse.

http://www.apstudynotes.org/us-history/topics/development-of-the-two-party-system/


I understand what you are trying to say, but don't see how it applies to this one quote. Square peg, meet round hole.

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ithink140 wrote:

Michael Flatley's Lord of the Finger dance?

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Hamilton sought to bring the fledgling United States of America under the monetary control of the Rothschilds & Friends, ala the Bank of England, by instituting a central banking system.



"Now" is the eternal present.
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Absurdicuss wrote:

Hamilton sought to bring the fledgling United States of America under the monetary control of the Rothschilds & Friends, ala the Bank of England, by instituting a central banking system.



Absolutely - and he was gunned down by Aaron Burr...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/alexander+hamilton

"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks."
Lord Acton

The average person has no idea what Lord Acton meant - and won't even after I tell them.

The banks lend money at interest. The banking institutions earn interest off of doing nothing (they create money literally out of nothing... Aladdin's lamp is for chumps!) and their wealth is, BY DEFINITION, everyone else's INEXTINGUISHABLE DEBT!

Debt is not a Choice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juQc0rLdB-E

Money is our God
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/06/money-is-our-god-tom-simmons-commedy.html

How to be a Crook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oHbwdNcHbc

Renaissance 2.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96c2wXcNA7A

Debunking Money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_yh4-Zi92Q

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
Matthew 6:24

BTW, if you worship money, what does that make those who CONTROL the money you worship?

"Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal – that there is no human relation between master and slave."
–Leo Tolstoy

Although, I think the Money Power is starting to take it to a personal level with the Western nations they are bankrupting through fraud. It has always been personal for most people on Earth as they are forced to live in abject poverty and 10s of millions have to watch their loved ones starve to death via this inextinguishable debt / world impoverishment system of Machiavellian fraud.

Debt Money Tyranny
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

The best way to control the opposition is to finance it. Birds of prey have two wings; the left wing & right wing.
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Daemon wrote:
Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without constraint.

Alexander Hamilton (1755-1804)


Hamilton had a poor opinion of the Confederation as it stood "insufficient" to preserve the Union, when he wrote what became The Federalist No. 15, in November, 1787.
It seems as if he was looking for an excuse, not just a reason, for a strong federal government.

Quote: " Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without constraint. Has it been found that bodies of men act with more rectitude or greater disinterestedness than individuals? The contrary of this has been inferred by all accurate observers of the conduct of mankind; and the inference is founded upon obvious reasons. Regard to reputation has a less active influence, when the infamy of a bad action is to be divided among a number than when it is to fall singly upon one." End.

By "bodies of men" (my emphasis) he meant, unflatteringly, the states of the Confederation.
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