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nima_persian
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:50:58 AM
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Dave says that Nancy is beautiful. He say she is intelligent.


Both Dave says that Nancy is beautiful and He says she is intelligent.

Dave say that Nancy is both beautiful and intelligent.


Are my sentences right or proper?



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moniquester
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:15:01 AM

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nima_persian wrote:


Dave says that Nancy is beautiful. He say she is intelligent.


Both Dave says that Nancy is beautiful and He says she is intelligent.

Dave say that Nancy is both beautiful and intelligent.


Are my sentences right or proper?



Let me try to correct your sentences, Nima!

Dave says that Nancy is beautiful and/as well as intelligent.

Dave says that Nancy is both beautiful and intelligent

Dave says that Nancy is both beautiful and intelligent.


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nima_persian
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:44:53 AM
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Both Dave says that Nancy is beautiful and He says she is intelligent.


What about this one?

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LucOneOff
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:48:00 AM

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Both Dave says that Nancy is beautiful and He says she is intelligent.

That one doesen't sound english.

Dave says Nancy is both beautiful and intelligent.

thar
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:05:49 AM

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The "both... and...." has to be just before each of the two items.

eg
x and y
Dave says both x and y

If you put it before 'Dave' that means he is one of the two:
Dave and John

Both Dave and John say that.......

Klaas V
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:15:21 AM

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Suppose both admirers of Nancy are called Dave you can say:

Both Daves say that Nancy is beautiful and intelligent.

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nima_persian
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:27:17 AM
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I am wondering whether occasionally you use both...and for connecting two sentences or notThink

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Marva
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:13:34 AM

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Dave says that Nancy is beautiful. He say she is intelligent.

More simply put...

Dave says Nancy is beautiful and intelligent.


Klaas V
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:37:44 AM

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@nima_persian

The psychopath appeared in front of the judge.

Both the sentence to stay in prison for ten years and forced psychiatric treatment he had to serve.

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Barely literate
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:48:25 AM

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Nima,
It is just the matter where you keep "both" in a sentence. If you keep it before, it shows two of such.

"Both women were French"
"Both of them passed the exam"

Similarly, if you say "Both Dave says...." it means there were two Dave's.
nima_persian
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:53:27 AM
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Not talking




Bothe a sentence, and a sentence.

Is this pattern correct? or have you ever seen such a pattern?

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Barely literate
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:12:32 AM

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Nima,

When did you buy the machine that churns out senseless questions?
nima_persian
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:46:11 PM
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Drool Drool Salesh,

I am myself the very machine. I have not bought such a strange machine.

I am that machine.

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nima_persian
Posted: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 4:00:19 AM
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nima_persian wrote:
Not talking




Bothe a sentence, and a sentence.

Is this pattern correct? or have you ever seen such a pattern?


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Audiendus
Posted: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:02:17 AM
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nima_persian wrote:
Not talking
Bothe a sentence, and a sentence.

Is this pattern correct? or have you ever seen such a pattern?


No, you cannot combine two whole sentences with "both" and "and". You cannot say any of the following:

"Both Dave says that Nancy is beautiful and he says that she is intelligent"
"Both does Dave say that Nancy is beautiful and does he say that she is intelligent"
"Both it is raining and there is a strong wind"
"Both is it raining and is there a strong wind"

You can, however, combine two whole sentences with "neither" and "nor". The following examples are correct:

"Neither does Dave say that Nancy is beautiful nor does he say that she is intelligent"
"Neither is it raining nor is there a strong wind"
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