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nima_persian
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 1:55:04 AM
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I don't have a book. I don't have a pen.


Neither do I have a book, nor do I have a pen.

Neither do I have a book, nor a pen.


Have I correctly written those? Think

Much Ado About Nothing (TO BE OR NOT TO BE).
LucOneOff
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:32:59 AM

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I think you should say:

I have neither a book nor a pen

or

I do not have either a book or a pen

But you could also avoid either and say

I don't have a book or a pen
moniquester
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:11:07 AM

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LucOneOff has said it well.

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nima_persian
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:42:20 AM
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Thanks.

But, the followings are my question, not what you have answeredNot talking I knew that we can use the ones that you just provided.


nima_persian wrote:


I don't have a book. I don't have a pen.


Neither do I have a book, nor do I have a pen.

Neither do I have a book, nor a pen.


Have I correctly written those? Think


Much Ado About Nothing (TO BE OR NOT TO BE).
Klaas V
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:04:33 AM

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LucOneOff wrote:
I think you should say:

I have neither a book nor a pen

or

I do not have either a book or a pen

But you could also avoid either and say

I don't have a book or a pen


Agree, however one can even avoid 'not' (not KISS so better avoid saying it like this):

I have zero books and the same amount of pens

With maybe the exception of the unasked there just isn't such thing available as a dumb question - Z4us
Marva
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:16:23 AM

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So as to not create a new problem...

I have zero books and the same amount of pens.

Pens are counted, and so "the same amount of pens" should be "the same number of pens".

Better still and more naturally put...

I have no books or pens.
NancyUK
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:29:45 AM

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nima_persian wrote:
Thanks.

But, the followings are my question, not what you have answeredNot talking I knew that we can use the ones that you just provided.


nima_persian wrote:


I don't have a book. I don't have a pen.

Neither do I have a book, nor do I have a pen.

Neither do I have a book, nor a pen.

Have I correctly written those? Think


=====================

Hello nima - no, I'm afraid you have not written those sentences correctly.

Have a look at this explanation: Neither ... nor

The relevant part of this information is below:

You always put neither immediately in front of the first of the words or expressions that are linked by nor. Don't put it any earlier in the sentence. Don't say, for example, 'She neither ate meat nor fish'. You say 'She ate neither meat nor fish'.

So, the word neither needs to immediately precede the word it is negating. This means the answer you have already had from LucOneOff, which was ratified by moniquester, is correct.

I have neither a book nor a pen.

I would live all my life in nonchalance and insouciance, Were it not for making a living, which is rather a nouciance. Ogden Nash
nima_persian
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:51:50 AM
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Thanks alot.


But, these are not very relevant to my original questions...Not talking

Much Ado About Nothing (TO BE OR NOT TO BE).
nima_persian
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:48:17 PM
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nima_persian wrote:

Thanks alot.


But, these are not very relevant to my original questions...Not talking



Anxious

Neither do I have a book, nor do I have a pen.

Neither do I have a book, nor a pen.


Have I correctly written those? Think

Much Ado About Nothing (TO BE OR NOT TO BE).
thar
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:47:12 PM

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If you read that answer carefully, and compare it to your original sentences, you will see that people have answered your question.

You were told you put the neither.... nor directly before the two expressions.

But in both your sentences, the neither/nor are not directly in front of the two expressions being linked.

In both cases the 'neither' is directly in front of the verb 'to have'. That is the same verb in both expressions. But it is not the verb that changes. It is not the two different expressions.


In your first sentence, you are linking the same verb. But that is not the difference between the two expressions
Neither do I have a book, nor do I have a pen.

The second sentence links two things that are not parallel. Again, the 'neither' is before the verb, but the nor is before the noun. Those are not the two things being compared.

Neither do I have a book, nor a pen.

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