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...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Options
Daemon
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...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Arthur Conan Doyle (1859-1930)
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"If everything I do is wrong, then the opposite must be right." ~George Costanza
ChristopherJohnson
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Daemon wrote:
...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Arthur Conan Doyle (1859-1930)


Very clever approach. Sometimes, the truth only SEEMS impossible, but once you admit its possibility, you begin to realize where the truth has lain all the time!
Trivium_Discipulus
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ChristopherJohnson wrote:
Daemon wrote:
...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Arthur Conan Doyle (1859-1930)


Very clever approach. Sometimes, the truth only SEEMS impossible, but once you admit its possibility, you begin to realize where the truth has lain all the time!


The debt based monetary system is a fraud and lying, thieving, mass murdering debt based money tyrants control almost all of the planet.

As John Taylor Gatto put it so succinctly in his "The Ultimate History Lesson" on Youtube, "[t]here was a 2nd American Revolution fought in [the late 1800s]. It was not won through force of arms, but through force of insight into how to create public opinion.

People, almost none of your political thoughts are your own. They were implanted in you by people you don't even know. Many of your other thoughts are implants as well. Many people never have a substantial original thought they can name when asked.

Not.

One.

These people brag about controlling you in books they don't you will ever bother to read - even when someone points them out to you and provides links to free versions of the books...

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
― Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda

“In the technotronic society the trend would seem to be towards the aggregation of the individual support of millions of uncoordinated citizens, easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities exploiting the latest communications techniques to manipulate emotions and control reason.”
― Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era

“There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution”
― Aldous Huxley

Listen to Huxley explain the "Ultimate Revolution" in his own words!

Aldous Huxley - The Ultimate Revolution (1962)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEXs3RspWyU

"Education in a scientific society may, I think, be best conceived after the analogy of the education provided by the Jesuits. The Jesuits provided one sort of education for the boys who were to become ordinary men of the world, and another for those who were to become members of the Society of Jesus. In like manner, the scientific rulers will provide one kind of education for ordinary men and women, and another for those who are to become holders of scientific power. Ordinary men and women will be expected to be docile, industrious, punctual, thoughtless, and contented. Of these qualities probably contentment will be considered the most important. In order to produce it, all the researches of psycho-analysis, behaviourism, and biochemistry will be brought into play." -----Read the book online here...
~ Sir Bertrand Russell, [part 3, XIV, Education in a Scientific Society p.251]

"Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy. . . . It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fitche laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . . Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. . . .”
- Bertrand Russell, 1953

"Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite."

~ President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Farewell Speech

The technocrats sound like an improved IQ version of one Adolf Hitler.

Yet it true.

Propaganda - Edward Bernays
https://archive.org/details/Porpaganda

Between Two Ages - Zbigniew Brzezinski
http://www.webcitation.org/getfile.php?fileid=167fb50d6943c6a31a0874897c6e495f9fb0d8b1

Note how many times Brzezinski talks about "elites" that control society, NOT a society that is determined by We, The People.

The Impact of Science on Society - Bertrand Russell
https://archive.org/details/TheImpactOfScienceOnSociety-B.Russell

If you don't pick the "red pill" of reality, the default is the blue pill.

Everybody, sooner or late, sits down to a banquet of consequences.
Robert Louis Stevenson

Debt Based Money is a prima fascie fraud graphed out here:

Debt Money Tyranny
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

It is fantastical and very improbable, but it is all factually and observably true.

The best way to control the opposition is to finance it. Birds of prey have two wings; the left wing & right wing.
moniquester
Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:58:40 AM

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Exactly what is impossible? Olympic feats which today are commonplace, were unheard of, even undreamed of one hundred years ago. The cures for many diseases have been discovered, where in the past, these were impossible to cure. Murderers have gotten off free because someone believed an innocent man's alibi an impossibility. So, tell me, what exactly is "impossible?"d'oh!

The "truth" is another matter entirely. The truth in your eyes, and the truth in my eyes may be very different indeed. What you perceive is colored by your past experiences, prejudices, preferences. What I perceive is colored by mine. Our descriptions of the self-same object could be unrecognizable to a third party, as being the same object. Yet, each of us has told the "whole truth and nothing but the truth." Boo hoo!

I'm afraid that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle has made a rash generalization here, and is regrettably wrong.Shame on you

Be the change you wish to see in the world!-Gandhi
Bully_rus
Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:04:34 AM
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Daemon wrote:
...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Arthur Conan Doyle (1859-1930)


Who can draw a line between impossible and improbable in a lottery, for example? Maybe life is much easier than a lottery?
jcbarros
Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:43:26 AM

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What remains (probable and improbable) must be sorted out and there, precisely, lies the difficulty.
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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2014 12:57:22 PM

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From Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's "The The Sign of Four"- Chapter 6
Here a more complete text to get the meaning:

"How came he, then?" I reiterated. "The door is locked; the window is inaccessible. Was it through the chimney?"

"The grate is much too small," he answered. "I had already considered that possibility."

"How, then?" I persisted.

"You will not apply my precept," he said, shaking his head. "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? We know that he did not come through the door, the window, or the chimney. We also know that he could not have been concealed in the room, as there is no concealment possible. When, then, did he come?"

"He came through the hole in the roof!" I cried.

"Of course he did. He must have done so. If you will have the kindness to hold the lamp for me, we shall now extend our researches to the room above -- the secret room in which the treasure was found."

http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/acdoyle/bl-acdoyle-sign-6.htm
markm
Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:49:30 PM
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In terms of logic and language, he is not correct. When you have eliminated the impossible, what you are left with is the possible. There could be many "possibles", not all of which are "the truth". All you can say that what is left is possible, you cannot claim truth (without further evidence anyway). Icbarros has already stated this, using other words.
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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:31:37 PM

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Holmes and Watson are at the scene of the crime. Holmes, examining the windowsill finds a small piece of citrus fruit. " Aha !", he cries. " It's a lemon entry, Watson !"

Sanity is not statistical
Ray
Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2014 11:03:13 PM

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Doyle's statement is not true. As a research chemist, isolating new compounds and trying to determine their structures, we often find good reasons to eliminate every conceivable structure, leading to the logical conclusion that the new compound you are holding in your hand does not have a structure!
pedro
Posted: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:18:49 AM

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How do you know when you have eliminated every impossible? Unless you have some sort of working hypothesis in the first place you would never know when to stop eliminating. Holmes would have had a different modus operandus than the average research scientist.

All good ideas arrive by chance- Max Ernst
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Posted: Saturday, June 07, 2014 6:52:50 AM

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Ray wrote:
Doyle's statement is not true. As a research chemist, isolating new compounds and trying to determine their structures, we often find good reasons to eliminate every conceivable structure, leading to the logical conclusion that the new compound you are holding in your hand does not have a structure!


Very interesting! Thanks.
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