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Better sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian. Options
Daemon
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Better sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian.

Herman Melville (1819-1891)
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But don't forget to say your prayers. ; )
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I wonder how both Christian and Cannibal would get along? I do think the Cannibal would eat the Christian since the Christian would claim to be of the flesh and blood of Christ and then would be a sacrament to the mind of a Cannibal converted to Christianity perhaps. Entertaining notion.
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Moby Dick
Chapter 3:
The Spouter Inn

_Ishamel, traveling from New York, arrives too late to catch the ferry to Nantucket,
the place to go if you want to embark in a whaler.
_In Bedford, Massachusets, he has to spend the night and in looking for a cheap place to stay,
he ends up staying at the Spouter Inn.

_At the inn, he learns that he has to share the room (because the place is nearly full)
with a dark complexioned man called Queequeg, a harpooner.
His savage look make him hesitate about spending the night on a bench.

_When Queequeg enters the room, he starts praying, singing to his little black idol.
And grabbing his tomahawk with his teeth, he springs at bed with Ishmael.
Ishmael, frightened, calls for the inn's owner and angels to save him. hahaha
Queequeg assures him "I won’t touch a leg of ye.”
After a while he calms down and goes to sleep with the cannibal harpooner,
saying to himself : Better sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian.

--- --- --- --- ---

This whole scene at the inn is actually pretty funny.
It is but one of the small scenes that make this book beautifully entertained and deep.

You have just to remember what the people from the old world
did to the natives of the American Continent
to ask yourself again who the savages and wicked really were.

dusty
Posted: Monday, June 2, 2014 2:02:58 AM

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I think the who Melville is speaking of when he says a "drunken Christian" is anyone who is so blinded by their false belief in their knowledge of right and wrong, they intentionally commit wrong actions in the name of righteousness.

Otherwise, what harm could a Christian person be, if not for the trampling of a person's God Given Rights?

It sounds to me more like Melville indirectly mentioning the irony of Christians escaping persecution in the old world and fleeing to America, only to afflict far greater degree and amount of abuse than they suffered at the hands of other drunkards who did not understand the intimate relationship between freedom and responsibility



To be concerned of the fate of the world is not bad, but bearing false witness is to not be
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I love your Jesus, but I hate your Christians - Mahatma Gandhi
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By the way, cannibals do not eat their friends. So, if a particular cannibal is your friend (trusted enough to sleep with him) and, in addition, he is sober, so we must admit that Melville is absolutely right -- drunken people are hardly bearable.
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**

What have we here? A man or a fish? Dead or alive? A fish.
He smells like a fish, a very ancient and fish-like smell,
a kind of not-of-the-newest poor-john. A strange fish!
Were I in England now, as once I was, and had but this fish painted,
not a holiday fool there but would give a piece of silver.
There would this monster make a man.
Any strange beast there makes a man.
When they will not give a doit to relieve a lame beggar,
they will lay out ten to see a dead Indian.
Legged like a man and his fins like arms! Warm, o' my troth.
I do now let loose my opinion, hold it no longer:
this is no fish, but an islander that hath lately suffered by a thunderbolt.

(Thunder)

Alas, the storm is come again! My best way is to creep under his gaberdine.
There is no other shelter hereabouts.
Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows.
I will here shroud till the dregs of the storm be past.
(crawls under gaberdine)

(Enter STEPHANO, singing)

STEPHANO
(sings)
 I shall no more to sea, to sea,
 Here shall I die ashore—
This is a very scurvy tune to sing at a man’s funeral.
Well, here’s my comfort. (drinks, sings)
 The master, the swabber, the boatswain, and I,
 The gunner and his mate
 Loved Mall, Meg, and Marian, and Margery,
 But none of us cared for Kate.
 For she had a tongue with a tang,


Remember this scene from Shakespeare's The Tempest. It strikes very close resemblance to this scene by Herman Melville.

The cannibal here is the fish-like Caliban, banished to the island before Prospero, so the islander, the grotesque native. Then there is Stephano, the boisterous and often drunk butler of King Alonso, shipwrecked along with his king upon Propero's magical island. The two, Stephano and Cliban , are later joined by Trinculo, the king’s jester, under that gaberdine of Caliban, to plot against Prospero. The Tempest is often understood as a parable of colonialism.

I think with the help of this episode Herman Melville is setting the scene for more things to come, adding certain credibility to the characters of the native, of which Moby Dick is the main one - however an animal still a native to the ocean, so that the readers are able to consider them worthy protagonists of the story.

**
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It's better to sleep with just about anyone than a drunken anything!

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Madas
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Best option is to sleep with mortally drunk cannibal :).
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Daemon wrote:
Better sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian.

Herman Melville (1819-1891)


The issue at hand is more related to physiology than to philosophy...

http://wellnessatsmith.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/why-do-people-snore-when-theyre-drunk/
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jcbarros wrote:
But don't forget to say your prayers. ; )



ha ha ha BRILLIANT!!
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Der S wrote:
I wonder how both Christian and Cannibal would get along? I do think the Cannibal would eat the Christian since the Christian would claim to be of the flesh and blood of Christ and then would be a sacrament to the mind of a Cannibal converted to Christianity perhaps. Entertaining notion.


I guess swallowing a Christian (fervidly praying) requires a lot of alcohol, that turns the poor Cannibal into a drunken Christian, because he ate Christ's flesh and blood therefore he made her/his first Communion; then another Cannibal can approach the new Christian and eat her/him and so on.

Death is the ultimate dream
pedro
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Given the number of appearances he makes on TFD quote of the day, it would have been nice if he'd written another quotable book. Just saying. Re the quote itself, there are plenty of negatives about sleeping with a drunken Christian, not least waking up in the morning to a sulphurous filled room. However, they must pale in comparison to waking up to find your chewed up left foot disappearing down your guest's throat.

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Better sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian.

Well I've my vodka and scotch drink with me always (a pocket new testament)

AND I've every thing to do with women ONLY. (GRACIOUS)

I can get beaten like a cannibal and you can call ME drunk.

REST IS LONG STORY

God bless ALL.






LIRA LREE! LIRA LREE! LETS FIND THE HEENA TREE.
Ahmad Kaoud
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I think that a drunken Christian wouldn't hurt that much but the sober Cannibal would EAT meee when he's conscious :D
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I have a feeling Hermam Melville learnt this in lesson. It is more of an angry comment than a wise saying.
Franklyn Wesley
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Daemon wrote:
Better sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian.

Herman Melville (1819-1891)
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Don't forget Melville's Cannibal is Queequeg the Starbuck’s skilled harpooner and becomes Ishmael’s best friend.
Queequeg, a high category cannibal was once a prince from Kokovoko, a South Sea island who stowed away on a whaling ship in search of adventure. He is a mixed of elements of African, Polynesian, Islamic, Christian, and Native American cultures. He is brave and generous, and enables Ishmael to see that race has no bearing on a man’s character.
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Not if you're a swede...

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The Realist
Posted: Monday, June 2, 2014 9:21:42 PM

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Melville, has experienced both, the cannibal and christians. There was a reason for this statement coming to print.
There are just some Christians who give religion a bad name. I'm sure we have all experienced that in all types of religions.
One must not forget that, we are all made of flesh, and are easily swayed.
Your religion does not grant you the role of being the most trustworthy.
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Another of your well thrown harpoons Pedro, hitting the center mass of insight and humor.



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