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Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. Options
Daemon
Posted: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 12:00:00 AM
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Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.

Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)
moniquester
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Daemon wrote:
Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.

Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)


Abe Lincoln, I am with you all the way! I wish that people who exploit children for monetary gain--whether this be for industries of any kind, for cheap labor, or (and especially) for the sex trade--I wish they would have to spend the remainder of their lives in slavery for others who are just as hard on them as they are on these poor innocent children.

The exploitation of children, especially in poor countries, is rampant and deplorable! How can anyone living in our enlightened times think that this is okay???

Be the change you wish to see in the world!-Gandhi
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moniquester wrote:
How can anyone living in our enlightened times...

Our "enlightened" times?! You must be joking.

The Qur'an and Bible very clearly endorse slavery, and other atrocities. How many of our "enlightened" world populous still hold these poorly-written old books as divine?

Enlightened? No, "benighted" is more accurate.
walirlan
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Abraham Lincoln was right! Very wise words of wisdom!
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Nice quotation. One of my best movie for 2013 was 12 years a slave.
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"All people are enslaved by something." D. Stojanovic
Madas
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I agree with Mr.President - the thing is opposite to a fashionably seated theater critic discussing actor who plays, say, Uncle Tom in "Cabin".
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if you are ever unsure whether or not your actions are right, which makes the assumption that the person actually cares and desires to do the right thing (which is already a lofty assumption when considering present day human beings)

is to put yourself in the other's shoes

are drone strikes in foreign lands an OK way of combating perceived threats?

What would be the United States reaction if another country flew over US soil and killed fourteen innocent civilians gathered for a family wedding?


we do this all the time to other countries, and we still have the gall to claim that the problem is Muslims and there religious beliefs, that they will either convert Us to Islam or kill US

We are blind to the truth, not because we can't see it.

Our vision is fine, we choose to deny the truth

To be concerned of the fate of the world is not bad, but bearing false witness is to not be
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Daemon wrote:
Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.

Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)


It's a fiery statement, but more close to a vengeance than an argument. And if we all are enslaved then we are perfectly equal in slavery.
monamagda
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To reinforce:

“Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves.”
― Abraham Lincoln
capitán
Posted: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 1:38:48 PM

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Chevegas wrote:
moniquester wrote:
How can anyone living in our enlightened times...

Our "enlightened" times?! You must be joking.

The Qur'an and Bible very clearly endorse slavery, and other atrocities. How many of our "enlightened" world populous still hold these poorly-written old books as divine?

Enlightened? No, "benighted" is more accurate.

----- ----- ----- ----- -----

There was an age in history that was called "The Enlightenment Age or "Age of Reason"
in which humankind decided to do something against irrational driven actions
such as those led by tradition and religious beliefs.

In spite of this step humankind decided to take in the 1600s,
now, in this new century, such thoughts are still rooted in the minds and hearts of many.
Churches are teeming in our countries as does ignorance, violence and all kinds of discrimination.
Not much has changed, that is true. All of us, humankind, are not even close to an enlightenment age.



Examples of irrational thoughts
led, promoted and sponsored by religious beliefs:


1. Last year, I was threatened by a christian teenage girl,
with a facial expression pretty close to hatred,
that god in his anger was sending me to hell for good
(because vengeance is the lord's -a violent one, no doubt).

I pretty calmly asked her where this place called hell was
and she answered me "in the center of the earth, of course."
I told her and her mother that instead of reading the bible
she should have payed attention to the teacher in science class at school.
She failed science last year, as well as the whole scholar year.


2. Some christians mustered their forces in the university campus before a crucial exam.
They decided that it should be a good idea to get together and pray one hour for a whole week before the test.
When the results of the test came out, they noticed one small detail: they SLIGHTLY failed the test.

What do you think would have happened if instead of praying for an hour the whole week,
they would have studied just as hard as they did for the exam?
god is not going to give you wisdom for an exam,
the information required to pass the exam was in the books, not in the heavens.

We are NOT in enlightenment times, that's sure.
Those in favor of slavery where the same people in favor of Religion
because religion is one way of taking away peoples' freedom of rational thought.


Verbatim
Posted: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 4:29:42 PM
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Daemon wrote:
Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.

Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)


How many other obviously repugnant ideas, shamelessly argued for still, ought to be tried on the apologists?
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Posted: Saturday, May 17, 2014 1:43:04 PM

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capitán wrote:
All of us, humankind, are not even close to an enlightenment age...

...We are NOT in enlightenment times, that's sure.
Those in favor of slavery where the same people in favor of Religion
because religion is one way of taking away peoples' freedom of rational thought.


"O Captain! My Captain!" ~Walt Whitman

Hey, capitán! Your response made my day! Thanks for sharing those anecdotes!
CheVegas ☁️ ✈ ☁️
Posted: Saturday, May 17, 2014 1:47:56 PM

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Postscript: For anyone who didn't get the full force of my oblique reference, I meant for Whitman's poem to refer to both the honorable poster named "capitán" in addition to being an homage to Lincoln...for whom Whitman wrote the poem.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Captain!_My_Captain!!


Just an interesting factoid for anyone interested! Cheers, all!
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