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Animals are such agreeable friends - they ask no questions, they pass no criticisms. Options
Daemon
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:00:00 AM
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Animals are such agreeable friends - they ask no questions, they pass no criticisms.

George Eliot (1819-1880)
avi21nash
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:06:48 AM

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xactly


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El-Baba
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:01:10 AM
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I disagree - we still don't know as much required to thoroughly understand the way in which the mind's of animals work.

Until then, i disagree.
jacobusmaximus
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:08:17 AM

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Daemon wrote:
Animals are such agreeable friends - they ask no questions, they pass no criticisms.

George Eliot (1819-1880)


Try taking my dog's food dish away before he is finished eating and you will know how judgemental he can be.

I remember, therefore I am.
Ray41
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:30:55 AM

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A matador would definitely not agree with that.Whistle

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Dr. Mohammed Albadri
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:11:47 AM

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birds of a feather flock together and I want to flock with human beings anyhow they are.
Dr. Mohammed Albadri
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:18:24 AM

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Dear Ray41 would you please explain what you mean by (( RULES ARE FOR THE OBEYENCE OF FOOLS AND FOR THE GUIDENCE OF WISE MEN )) do you mean (( RULES ARE FOR THE OBEDIENCE OF FOOLS AND FOR THE GUIDANCE OF WISE MEN ))? for OBEYENCE and GUIDENCE seem rare to me ??? .
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What struck me from the very short article is how certain people need the love, support and caring of that important person who believe in them in their lives in order for them to prosper. Lewes, Evan's illicit partner for Lewes couldn't get a divorce, "encouraged Evans in her literary career; indeed, it is possible that without him, Evans, subject to periods of depression and in constant need of reassurance, would not have written a word." If Evans had teamed up with a man who was more interested in his own career and she if she had taken on a more standardized role of wife, we wouldn't have Middlemarch. Viva the caring, loving, supportive man who recognizes that a woman too can be an artist or whatever she wants to be.
capitán
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:27:12 AM

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Daemon wrote:
Animals are such agreeable friends - they ask no questions, they pass no criticisms.

George Eliot (1819-1880)

...

“I think I could turn and live with animals,
they are so placid and self-contain'd,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of
owning things,
Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of
years ago,
Not one is respectable or unhappy over the earth.”


― Walt Whitman, Song of Myself

jcbarros
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:39:32 AM

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That was nice, Capitan. Applause
curmudgeonine
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:11:58 AM

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I agree. Even if they did criticize, we wouldn't know by their loving behaviour. Most animals, anyway.
Westley Payne
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El-Baba I agree with you
Bully_rus
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:31:44 AM
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Daemon wrote:
Animals are such agreeable friends - they ask no questions, they pass no criticisms.

George Eliot (1819-1880)


For some tired people animals of lap may replace not only friendship but even love. Cause even love have a flip side...
Fenrir
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So true. No jugdements, such awesome creatures.
Absurdicuss
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:35:37 PM

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An amazing feat, penetrating the minds of animals, parsing their thoughts and attributing to them human characteristics and forgetting that they might bite you.

But, if dogs could talk what would they say? I want a lawyer.

"Now" is the eternal present.
Verbatim
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:04:08 PM
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Daemon wrote:
Animals are such agreeable friends - they ask no questions, they pass no criticisms.

George Eliot (1819-1880)


But only if they could, would they still be agreeable?
capitán
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:12:41 PM

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jcbarros wrote:
That was nice, Capitan. Applause


Thanks!

To Verbatim,
Ever read the Tao Te Chin? "Nature is eternal because it lacks self-awareness."
That is one thing I agree with.
Ray41
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:43:16 PM

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Dr. Mohammed Albadri wrote:
Dear Ray41 would you please explain what you mean by (( RULES ARE FOR THE OBEYENCE OF FOOLS AND FOR THE GUIDENCE OF WISE MEN )) do you mean (( RULES ARE FOR THE OBEDIENCE OF FOOLS AND FOR THE GUIDANCE OF WISE MEN ))? for OBEYENCE and GUIDENCE seem rare to me ??? .


It is a play on words, deliberately misspelt to prove the quote true.(I have a 'dark' sense of humour).Dancing

You are the first person to see the deliberate error.Applause

Maybe the first person to actually read it? Think

'RULES ARE FOR THE OBEDIENCE OF FOOLS AND FOR THE GUIDANCE OF WISE MEN' is the correct quote.



While I live I grow.
kenturner1
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:58:44 PM

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I love and respect animals and pets but Walt Whitman made them out to be little saints on earth. Never seen one kneel? The term "alpha male" came from the animal kingdom. They're constantly warring with each other and the loser is the new leader. They prey on the weak and defenseless; they shun, kill and sometimes eat their young who are misfits. And even our loving pets try to exert their "authority" over us occasionally. Not judging them because it's their nature to do those things. Perspective.

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capitán
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:10:00 PM

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kenturner1 wrote:
I love and respect animals and pets but Walt Whitman made them out to be little saints on earth. Never seen one kneel? The term "alpha male" came from the animal kingdom. They're constantly warring with each other and the loser is the new leader. They prey on the weak and defenseless; they shun, kill and sometimes eat their young who are misfits. And even our loving pets try to exert their "authority" over us occasionally. Not judging them because it's their nature to do those things. Perspective.



Yeah, sure.
Several animals are killing, raping and subduing other animals at a daily basis.
There's also the ones getting eaten after sex. Don't forget that ones, please.

Still, the act of a human being kneeling to another is still QUITE different.
There is simply no comparison between the acts of a human being (who is aware of its existence and of the existence of his peers) and an animal.
That is precisely the point of that stanza in the poem.


--- --- --- --- --- ---
“I think I could turn and live with animals,
they are so placid and self-contain'd,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of owning things,
Not one kneels to another,
nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago,
Not one is respectable or unhappy over the earth.”

― Walt Whitman, Song of Myself
Verbatim
Posted: Friday, March 14, 2014 12:49:57 AM
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Hi capitán: "To Verbatim,
Ever read the Tao Te Chin? "Nature is eternal because it lacks self-awareness."
That is one thing I agree with."

Tao Te Ching, I must confess, in a textual full-fledged fashion, no I have not read. I have experimented with some verses for mental exercise, but I am not familiar with the one you quoted.

It seems rather hopeless for us civilized people to gain eternity, by way of reversing our self-awareness to nothing, if we were to imitate nature, and provided that the precept holds true to Taoism or other philosophy. But perhaps I misunderstood the reason you posted it.
capitán
Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 1:00:46 AM

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One day we will have to die and join with nature.
That day we'll become eternal, by getting away from our conscience.
Our life will join the planet as air, tree, leaf, etc.

This is pretty much what happened to Obi Wan and Yoda in star wars, but for real.


Now, seriously, to quote from Whitman again,

"All goes onward and outward—nothing collapses;
And to die is different from what any one supposed, and luckier."


W.W.
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