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Revenge triumphs over death; love slights it; honor aspireth to it; grief flieth to it; fear preoccupateth it. Options
Daemon
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Revenge triumphs over death; love slights it; honor aspireth to it; grief flieth to it; fear preoccupateth it.

Francis Bacon (1561-1626)
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It is seems that a revenge most powerful emotion in relation to death. What about justice? Does it have any noble relation to death?
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Bully_rus wrote:
It is seems that a revenge most powerful emotion in relation to death. What about justice? Does it have any noble relation to death?


I like justice over revenge. Revenge serves one or two, but justice serves all of us.

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"Preoccupateth"?

Make every post as if it was the first one in the thread.
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We are on a learning curve; preoccupateth, thought is should be preoccupieth.

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Pre`oc´cu`pate
v. t. 1.
1. To anticipate; to take before.
2. To prepossess; to prejudice.


so, yes, it is preoccupate, not preoccupy

But I can only find it referenced in Merriam Webster - and it is not found in my normal trusted dictionaries - (Oxford and Cambridge onlines) but I am certainly not going to argue with Bacon!Whistle
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GreenBanana wrote:
"Preoccupateth"?


fear preoccupateth it.(death) Obsolete archaic for: Fear anticipates death.

The quotation has been associated with "revenge", but it is about death.

Interestingly, Bacon's Essay "On Death" as I have it in print form reads: "fear preoccupieth it", not preoccupateth. But on line in the same essay
it is "preoccupateth". Either way we should read it as fear anticipates death, and, of course, remember that the smell of it anticipates fear.Boo hoo!
However, for those who may prefer the verb "preoccupy", 'fear preoccupieth it' (death) will mean: "To occupy completely the mind or attention of" the one about to die,
never mind the doubtful generality of it.

Preoccupate
Preoccupate Pre*oc"cu*pate, v. t. [L. praeoccupatus, p. p. of praeoccupare to preoccupy. See Preoccupy.] 1. To anticipate; to take before. [Obs.] ``Fear preoccupateth it [death].' --Bacon.
2. To prepossess; to prejudice. [Obs.] --Sir H. Wotton. http://www.wordaz.com/preoccupa.html
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The kettle's on the boil and we're so easily called away.

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Justice (as unrealistic as "comunism) is just a fancy way of defining revenge.
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Revenge is sometimes very just.

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Daemon wrote:
Revenge triumphs over death; love slights it; honor aspireth to it; grief flieth to it; fear preoccupateth it.

Francis Bacon (1561-1626)


The quotation is from Essays, "Of Death". Sir Francis Bacon wrote another essay "Of Revenge", which sentiment and action he clearly condemned.

""REVENGE is a kind of wild justice; which the more man’s nature runs to, the more ought law to weed it out. For as for the first wrong, it doth but offend the law; but the revenge of that wrong putteth the law out of office.""
Certainly not a substitute for justice, nor lawfully justified in most situations, and hardly a remedy for wounds already inflicted.

So how can one explain Bacon's "Revenge triumphs over death" -- also the starting point of our thread slipping off the track?
Well, Bacon is "preoccupieth", perhaps, with discussing death in terms of how affected by revenge, love, honor, grief and fear.
He seems to want to minimize death, but triumph of revenge over death does not make the revenge acceptable.

The following may explain the apparent contradiction remaining.
Here, Bacon talks about public revenges versus private revenges, in the same essay "Of Revenge", http://www.bartleby.com/3/1/4.html:

""Public revenges are for the most part fortunate; as that for the death of Cæsar; for the death of Pertinax; for the death of Henry the Third of France; and many more. But in private revenges it is not so. Nay rather, vindictive persons live the life of witches; who, as they are mischievous, so end they infortunate.""

So, you see, unless one can claim the stature of Caesar, Pertinax, Henry the Third, and many more of the kind, one can't have public revenge and may only pray
for some justice.Think



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