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Daemon
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The accumulation of all powers, Legislative, Executive, and Judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.

James Madison (1751-1836)
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Counter-posed powers, hamoniously working together, watching always to each other. The essence of democracy.
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Daemon wrote:
The accumulation of all powers, Legislative, Executive, and Judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.

James Madison (1751-1836)



The Federalist No. 47
The Particular Structure of the New Government and the Distribution of Power Among Its Different Parts
New York Packet
Wednesday, January 30, 1788
[James Madison]
http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa47.htm

If only keeping those powers in separate hands would suffice!
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Posted: Sunday, January 26, 2014 2:40:24 AM
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Daemon wrote:
The accumulation of all powers, Legislative, Executive, and Judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.

James Madison (1751-1836)


Hope 'Many' does not include 'Majority'. Otherwise democracy and tyranny shall be same thing.


Next to trying and winning, the best thing is trying and failing.
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A situation which replicates itself in most developing nation of the world.
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Someone should remind the Communist Party of the Peoples Republic of China.
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Madison, james,1751~1836, 4th president of united state (1809~17), B pot conway, V9
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Silenced What I hear is a man who is cautioning us that the line between Democracy and Tyranny is a thin one. The nations political awareness and social consciousness is a duty to us all, every day. On the most basic level checks and balances do not start and end with the ternary of the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches of government and the ‘Separation of Powers’ is to ultimately governed by us, the people. That makes the split of power quartered suppose; we just need to become invested in our own well-being to utilize our position and to monitor our political/social health as a nation.Silenced
P.s. I'm speaking to the US structure, although James Madison's quote has universal implications that others from around the globe have made clear in their insightful posts.
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What we can do to avoid this?
It's like a fever in my country,even in the world.
TheParser
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MTC wrote:


Someone should remind the Communist Party of the Peoples Republic of China.




Hear! Hear!

And it appears that the new president of China is cracking down on dissent like never before!
TheParser
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Guto André wrote:

It's like a fever in my country,even in the world.




Yes, even in the United States.

The super liberal New York Times recently appointed a woman to be the editor. Even she is complaining that the current administration in Washington, D.C., has been the the most secretive administration in her memory.



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It isn't definition that the matter, but action: what to do when that happened? More than twenty years after collapse of USSR it's still the case.
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To MTC: A very good observation. One which should give us all pause to reflect.
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Daemon wrote:
The accumulation of all powers, Legislative, Executive, and Judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.

James Madison (1751-1836)
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Tyranny, by definition, has evolved since Madison's time. It has many forms, some made innocuous by packaging. Dependence, for instance, is a form of tyranny that comes nicely wrapped.

Separating the powers was Madison's answer to avoiding accumulation of them all in the same hands. But what if the separate hands are "bound"-- compelled, obligated, or united-- by an invisible hand,
guiding the actions of all hands? And don't think it is God's hand that wants to stay invisible. What then, can be said of the old adage: "Don't judge a book by its... binding"? Speak to the hand
Professor
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jcbarros wrote:
Counter-posed powers, hamoniously working together, watching always to each other. The essence of democracy.


It may also be the essence of unrealistic expectations albeit the ultimate desire.

"You reveal your character by what you do with what you have."
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Posted: Sunday, January 26, 2014 5:25:21 PM
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Of course, there was always a chance that "checks and balances" might have worked, as Montesquieu had hoped, but why did then the older Latin adage precede it and survive it:
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
Miriam...
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To Verbatim: I think your insight about the "hidden hands " of power is very good.

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“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
― Mark Twain

Folks, the United States IS NOT supposed to be a democracy.

If you think that, you've been fooled by the special interests who promote that deception.

The United States (note - NOT Federal States of America!) is supposed be a republic... with elected officials voted into office as representatives OF THE REPUBLIC.

The Constitution was engineered to protect the common person from special interests oppressing them.

Therefore, the special interests have worked to subvert the Constitution since day 1 and the special interests have won a route up until this point in history.

Madison is absolutely correct and we live in a tyranny right now. It is a financial soft tyranny that is ever hardening into a police state tyranny just ahead of their debt based Ponzi monetary system going supernova and bankrupting the entire Western World and most of its inhabitants.

So, WHO controls the legislatives, judicial and the executive branch?

The private interests that CONTROL THE DEFINITION AND ISSUANCE OF MONEY, that's WHO.

It is elementary.

The Power of Money is, as Eisenhower warned, to be gravely regarded as they wield the pinnacle of Earthly power.

The best description for what most people consider "government" is "the covert enforcement arm of the international banking (monetary system) cartel."

The "covert" adjective explains why they've kept the velvet gloves on so long.

Anyone paying attention, though...

1. Government's claim to be able to imprison / assassinate American citizens without trial...

2. Government requesting purchase orders for nearly 2 billion bullets for the Department of Homeland Security...

3. The government attempting to purchase no hesitation" shooting targets of pregnant women, elderly people and small children...

Oh, you don't believe #3 because it sounds crazy? Well, that's because it **is** crazy... but it is true...

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/high-tide-and-turn/2013/feb/28/dhs-training-practice-targets-featuring-children-p/

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-supplier-provides-shooting-targets-of-american-gun-owners/

Madison was right, we slept on our watch - and most desperately cling to their sleep state even now - and the world's greatest debt bubble bust in human history (Great Depression on steroids) awaits us as a reward for our lack of knowledge and apathy.

Just remember, when this economic collapse becomes obvious to you and yours, remember it was the "power of money that is gravely to be regarded" (Eisenhower, Farewell Speech) who did this to you on purpose.

If you want to learn more details...

Renaissance 2.0 - Financial Empire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96c2wXcNA7A

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy."
- Professor Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

In addition to these pragmatic goals, the powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank, in the hands of men like Montagu Norman of the Bank of England, Benjamin Strong of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, Charles Rist of the Bank of France, and Hjalmar Schacht of the Reichsbank, sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.
- Professor Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

You might remember Professor Quigley as being the man President Bill Clinton said was his main inspiration in life, along with JFK, in his Democratic nomination acceptance speech.

The best way to control the opposition is to finance it. Birds of prey have two wings; the left wing & right wing.
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Today the clear blue skies above Charlotte North Carolina were laced with literally hundreds of aerosol chemical trails sprayed from the wings of mock commercial jets.

It took only three hours to blot out the sun, and it felt as if no one but me knew it was happening.

Thanks Triv for your efforts to educate the unbelieving.

"Now" is the eternal present.
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Oh my goodness, Abs. So sorry! Whistle Is this what happened?




Most of the trouble in the world is caused by people wanting to be important. T. S. Eliot
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Your news anchor believes while anchors across the nations are, as instructed, dismissive of the very notion.

But Chicken little knew something others refused to see.

"Now" is the eternal present.
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Absurdicuss wrote:
Your news anchor believes while anchors across the nations are, as instructed, dismissive of the very notion.

But Chicken little knew something others refused to see.


Oops! I misunderstood your previous post!

Most of the trouble in the world is caused by people wanting to be important. T. S. Eliot
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