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 Do not trouble yourself much to get new things, whether clothes or friends...Things do not change; we change. Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
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Daemon wrote:<script>add2all('quote')</script><img align=left width="100" height="121" src="http://img.tfd.com/IOD/thoreau.jpg">Do not trouble yourself much to get new things, whether clothes or friends...Things do not change; we change.<br><br><a href="http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Thoreau,+Henry+David">Henry David Thoreau</a> (1817-1862) Every business needs to hire someone like this as a motivational speaker.
"Those who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
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Must have read a lot of Bible stuff.
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I love Thoreau, but it seems as if he is objectifing the idea of a friend. I wonder if he intends the word in the sense that would be comprable to clothing; those who dress themselves in aquaintances as well as garb. Does anyone know the context?
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Thoreau loved to give advice. Some of it was very good. Most of it suggests he would say anything if it would make him sound like a maven. Rhymes with Cliff Clavin.
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Daemon wrote:<script>add2all('quote')</script><img align=left width="100" height="121" src="http://img.tfd.com/IOD/thoreau.jpg">Do not trouble yourself much to get new things, whether clothes or friends...Things do not change; we change.<br><br><a href="http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Thoreau,+Henry+David">Henry David Thoreau</a> (1817-1862) Are you allowed to make new things when your existing things start dying off? Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.- Diderot
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Caljoad wrote "I love Thoreau, but it seems as if he's objecting to the idea of a friend. I wonder if he intends the idea in the sense that would be comparable to clothing; those who dress themselves in acquaintances as well as garb. Does anyone know the context?" It does sound like that. But your choice of acquaintance may be the better word for the context. Some do seem to surround themselves with people, whom they call friends, but there doesn't appear to be the intimacy of true friendship in the relationship, so acquaintances would be the more appropriate term for it. If Thoreau truly means "friend" in his context, that sounds like not such wise advice, after all. As for the Bible, in his time, that was like "required reading" for practically every sort of public figure, in this nation. so quite likely he did read it.
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I know what he is saying. When my husband died I looked at all my antiques, my clothes and I didn't care about them. The only thing that I cared for was gone. But, I pulls me up when I realize that I have my children. So I am aware that the people in my life are the precious things.
Little drops of water~Little grains of sand~Make the mighty ocean~And the pleasant land~So the little moments~Humble though they be~Make the mighty ages ~Of Eternity/by Julia Fletcher Carney
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Christine wrote:I know what he is saying. When my husband died I looked at all my antiques, my clothes and I didn't care about them. The only thing that I cared for was gone. But, I pulls me up when I realize that I have my children. So I am aware that the people in my life are the precious things. When my father died my sister went for every dollar she could get. I went for every friend my father ever had. I'm confident I won.
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Thoreau, transcendentalist and first American Daoist.
Do we change when we put on a spanken new, black, IIIIItalian, custom made suit, with spanken new, black gator shoes. Of course. We feel much taller, more important, and less insecure.
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caljoad wrote:I love Thoreau, but it seems as if he is objectifing the idea of a friend. I wonder if he intends the word in the sense that would be comprable to clothing; those who dress themselves in aquaintances as well as garb. Does anyone know the context? I don't know that he's necessarily objectifying a friend, or friends in general. I think there is a double-entendre here: the main idea here seems to be to use the analogy of old clothes, and a person's diminished attachment to them, to justify how friends sometimes will lose the attachment to each other and begin to travel in different circles, while saying "They've changed"....or...."I've changed", when the truth is truly that WE ALL CHANGE. Our needs as friends change and our requirement for social interaction and psycho-social reinforcement change, thereby facilitating our need of different friends at different times in our lives, just as it seemed a great idea to wear double-plaid in highshool.....now we know better. Some people develop tremendous guilt over the idea that they might not need their friends indefinitely, and they begin to feel that they are disposing of their friends, which is entirely utilitarian, and not how most of us in the west have been raised. The entire key to this understanding lies in his cunning use of the word "we" to identify the source of the changing. Superficially, it seems Thoreau is asigning an intrinsic source to the change, in order to help the average person come to grips with the reality of it, since the 'mean' always needs to place blame and assign causal factors. I believe, on a deeper level, Thoreau is saying that "we all change", and just as a person has different needs over time, so do the friends they surround themselves with, so don't be upset when you realize that you don't feel as much need for, or attachment to, some of your friends, because they probably are experiencing the same thing towards you, or elsewhere within themselves. It's the history of the world. But then again, I'm just guessing....
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caljoad wrote:I love Thoreau, but it seems as if he is objectifing the idea of a friend. I wonder if he intends the word in the sense that would be comprable to clothing; those who dress themselves in aquaintances as well as garb. Does anyone know the context? I agree with you. It seems like Thoreau contradicts himself by admitting that people inherently change but also implying that friends do not. I wonder if the two clauses, separated by the ellipsis, are put together out of context. Does the ellipsis here represent some omitted text?
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I'll do my utmost for the changeover whatever it takes, whether it is navel-gazing, wild-goose chase, or a milestone.
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Cool guy.. All right a few of the "classics" I have read. At least he lived it and proved much of what he wrote about. Required reading for some. I think his alter ego is the beat niks ,rainbow children, dead heads and the tree huggers. It is not to hard to think these thoughts with a nap sack a change of clothes and a long trip through the New England woods. My wording of this through out life has been it is all "stuff" we can replace it, but make sure and keep the good parts. I think he just means friends come and go but be true to yourself sort of idea and that a few articles of anything will get you through to the next day. R.C. Read to your kid they will read with you,re neighbors kid
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The statement might mean: Be concerned with your development as a "spititual" human being. (Spiritual is a word I think he would have used here). As one develops, change "naturally" occurs. Let new clothing and friends come into your life with and as dictated by this spiritual change.
"Supposin' I was to go to work and learn how to... to read writin'. Well, how'd I know that the feller that... that wrote the writin' was a writin' the writin' right? See it could be that he wrote the writin' all wrong. Here I'd be just a readin' wrong writin', don't ya see? You probably been doin' it your whole life, just a readin' wrong writin' and not even knowin‘ it." Festus
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fred wrote:The statement might mean: Be concerned with your development as a "spiritual" human being. (Spiritual is a word I think he would have used here). As one develops, change "naturally" occurs. Let new clothing and friends come into your life with and as dictated by this spiritual change. Corrected my spelling. "Supposin' I was to go to work and learn how to... to read writin'. Well, how'd I know that the feller that... that wrote the writin' was a writin' the writin' right? See it could be that he wrote the writin' all wrong. Here I'd be just a readin' wrong writin', don't ya see? You probably been doin' it your whole life, just a readin' wrong writin' and not even knowin‘ it." Festus
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Today I bought new underwear. They are things acquired that should be changed often. Just sayin' . . .
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Daemon wrote:<script>add2all('quote')</script><img align=left width="100" height="121" src="http://img.tfd.com/IOD/thoreau.jpg">Do not trouble yourself much to get new things, whether clothes or friends...Things do not change; we change.<br><br><a href="http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Thoreau,+Henry+David">Henry David Thoreau</a> (1817-1862) Although Thoreau said "friends", I don't think he meant real or true friends. What he was trying to say was that one shouldn't expect to somehow be transformed or become a bigger and better person simply by acquiring new materialistic things as well as the kinds of friends you think will help you accomplish this superficial transformation of your image. Your tastes and ambitions are forever changing, so one should build their foundation on rock, not pebbles. In other words, don't kill yourself making friends or buying things to satisfy the urges of some temporary phase you will eventually drop. Think long term.
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Do not trouble yourself much to get new things, whether clothes or friends...Things do not change; we change Hahaha  , I can relate with this quote. I think what he is trying to say is that possessions are not important. It will come later. What matter most is YOU and how you change for the better.
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DHeavyOne wrote:caljoad wrote:I love Thoreau, but it seems as if he is objectifing the idea of a friend. I wonder if he intends the word in the sense that would be comprable to clothing; those who dress themselves in aquaintances as well as garb. Does anyone know the context? I don't know that he's necessarily objectifying a friend, or friends in general. I think there is a double-entendre here: the main idea here seems to be to use the analogy of old clothes, and a person's diminished attachment to them, to justify how friends sometimes will lose the attachment to each other and begin to travel in different circles, while saying "They've changed"....or...."I've changed", when the truth is truly that WE ALL CHANGE. Our needs as friends change and our requirement for social interaction and psycho-social reinforcement change, thereby facilitating our need of different friends at different times in our lives, just as it seemed a great idea to wear double-plaid in highshool.....now we know better. Some people develop tremendous guilt over the idea that they might not need their friends indefinitely, and they begin to feel that they are disposing of their friends, which is entirely utilitarian, and not how most of us in the west have been raised. The entire key to this understanding lies in his cunning use of the word "we" to identify the source of the changing. Superficially, it seems Thoreau is asigning an intrinsic source to the change, in order to help the average person come to grips with the reality of it, since the 'mean' always needs to place blame and assign causal factors. I believe, on a deeper level, Thoreau is saying that "we all change", and just as a person has different needs over time, so do the friends they surround themselves with, so don't be upset when you realize that you don't feel as much need for, or attachment to, some of your friends, because they probably are experiencing the same thing towards you, or elsewhere within themselves. It's the history of the world. But then again, I'm just guessing.... I like your philosophical idea of friend.
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