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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Sunday, November 22, 2009 9:16:09 AM

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From Puzzles/Games topic:

How come people say a hat trick is three goals in a row, while the goals are made consecutively, one after another, not simultaneously. Why is it not three in a queue?


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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
From Puzzles/Games topic:

How come people say a hat trick is three goals in a row, while the goals are made consecutively, one after another, not simultaneously. Why is it not three in a queue?



UK English uses "queue"
Yanks use "row"
I have no idea why it's called a "hat trick" except in the context of a pulling a rabbit out of a magical hat. Maybe it's a "How the heck did he do that?" moment.

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TB wrote:
Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
From Puzzles/Games topic:

How come people say a hat trick is three goals in a row, while the goals are made consecutively, one after another, not simultaneously. Why is it not three in a queue?



UK English uses "queue"
Yanks use "row"
I have no idea why it's called a "hat trick" except in the context of a pulling a rabbit out of a magical hat. Maybe it's a "How the heck did he do that?" moment.


I just read the explanation Epi gave in that other thread, and to quote him quoting somebody else, the "hat" part of the equation began this way:

"However, the term hat trick in sports has its roots in cricket, where a bowler was given a hat after successfully taking three wickets."

As far as "three in a row" vs. "three in a queue" goes, I can't explain it any better than TB already has, but just the thought of saying it as "three in a queue" sounds hilarious to me. It's probably an idiosyncratic reaction, but thanks for the laugh anyway! However, I still can't figure out how either way of saying it would refer to three things occurring simultaneously, rather than consecutively.
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I had never heard of a "hat trick" not being familiar with cricket, but as stated previously, the US uses "row." We have "our ducks in a row" when things are all lined up. I do not know if others have "ducks in a queue?" Does anyone say that? "A bowler is given a hat..." I am not asking to be silly, is it a bowler hat? Is that where the phrase or hat fashion came from?
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Posted: Sunday, November 22, 2009 5:09:50 PM

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We don't need to call it hattrick. Except that this name comes from the habit of giving a player a hat when succeeded to make three goals in a row. But this row or queue semantic problem. Let me put this simple Whistle

We have three men with rifles. Their aim is to shoot on the same target ahead. If they are in a queue they can't shoot simultaneously if avoiding losses by own fire. They must change places and shoot one by one, consecutively. If they are in a row they can shoot simultaneously. If the target is not directly in front of the queue they can also shoot all three at the same time, but then they are not technically and semantically in a queue but in a row. Simple?

How does this affect to soccer or hockey? It does not, only that in a game field they have only one ball or puck to put in goal at a time, not three. Even if there were three balls the player has only two legs (ok, one head too) and no player can kick to balls simultaneously. See?

Here's three in a row.



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Posted: Sunday, November 22, 2009 7:27:11 PM

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Well...

If I heard something about "hat trick", I'd certainly go with all that magician thing, rabbits pulling out from a hat, a dove, putting a piece of cloth and taking out a beautiful little puppy...

And about the other queue, I like the saying "three in a row" better... I think that sounds nicer... But if you want to sound all fancy, you can certainly say "three in a queue"... Who really cares about that, right??? lol
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Ducks in a row??...Oh, sorry, I thought you guys were talking about:

http://www.pattybrdarphoto.com/EmailPhotos/DucksCrossingRoadLarge.jpg



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TB wrote:
Ducks in a row??...Oh, sorry, I thought you guys were talking about:

http://www.pattybrdarphoto.com/EmailPhotos/DucksCrossingRoadLarge.jpg

"DEFINITION MAN "TO THE RESCUE
row 1 (r)
n.
1. A series of objects placed next to each other, usually in a straight line.
2. A succession without a break or gap in time: won the title for three years in a row.
3. A line of adjacent seats, as in a theater, auditorium, or classroom.
4. A continuous line of buildings along a street.


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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:53:27 AM

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vagnersiqueira wrote:

If I heard something about "hat trick", I'd certainly go with all that magician thing, rabbits pulling out from a hat, a dove, putting a piece of cloth and taking out a beautiful little puppy...



I thought a Brazilian would know about hat trick, in soccer at least ;-)
In ice-hockey there's one special phrase: Gordie Howe Hattrick which means a goal, an assist and a fight (it must be in a queue, not in a row, unless he passed himself, made a goal and had a fight with goaltender all at the same time ;-)


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Posted: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:56:37 AM

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You people are not well, that's why I like it around here Dancing

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Posted: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:37:08 PM

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What does this have to do with octopus?

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early_apex wrote:
What does this have to do with octopus?



"...and so once again, the world was spinning in greased grooves"

John Huston narrating Cannery Row (great movie btw)

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TB wrote:
early_apex wrote:
What does this have to do with octopus?



"...and so once again, the world was spinning in greased grooves"

John Huston narrating Cannery Row (great movie btw)


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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:23:53 PM

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early_apex wrote:
Doc: The only thing we have in common is that we're both wrong for each other.
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Suzy: I don't understand it. We get along great when we're not together.


One of the reasons I like reading Steinbeck.


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Yorker
Posted: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:38:27 PM

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This is three in a row: Sick Pray Whistle one at the side of the other.


This is queue, one behind the other.

Speak to the hand
Think
Eh?

(I have been in many of these)


A hat trick was explained by Grammarqeek earlier.



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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:41:26 PM

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Yorker wrote:
This is three in a row: Sick Pray Whistle one at the side of the other.


This is queue, one behind the other.

Speak to the hand
Think
Eh?

(I have been in many of these)


A hat trick was explained by Grammarqeek earlier.



Luckily I see no rifles ;-)


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Yorker
Posted: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:41:05 PM

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Rifles? Their not duck are they? (must get my eyes tested)

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Posted: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:43:22 PM

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I mean ducks, ducks, ducks 3 in a row. (really must get my eyes tested)

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Jyrkkä Jätkä
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Yorker wrote:
I mean ducks, ducks, ducks 3 in a row. (really must get my eyes tested)


There's nothing wrong with your eyes, I hope.

Pray Pray Pray in a row

Eh?
Eh?
Eh?
in a queue

none have rifles (see my post with a hat with a row ;-)

...how crazy this can go?


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Posted: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:40:13 PM

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That is so true. Missed your rifles with hat post, but on now checking your explanation, I can only agree it's a good one.

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Yorker wrote:


This is queue, one behind the other.

Speak to the hand
Think
Eh?

(I have been in many of these)




Actually, that's three in a pile (or stack) because they are on top of one another.

This is a queue...
Whistle Whistle Whistle because they are facing the same direction, one behind the other. (This was traditionally seen at English bus stops but has practically died out now)

This is a row...
Anxious Anxious Anxious because they are facing the same direction but beside each other.


p.s. Sorry. Pedants rule!
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Hmmm row...or unanswered consecutive points.

-fini
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Friday, November 27, 2009 5:05:18 AM

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Good point ScallyWag.

So, if these guys are running,

Whistle ..................Whistle Whistle Whistle Whistle Whistle

(not very fast 'cos they can whistle)
is the first guy the last or in the lead, since after all he comes first?


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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
Good point ScallyWag.

So, if these guys are running,

Whistle ..................Whistle Whistle Whistle Whistle Whistle

(not very fast 'cos they can whistle)
is the first guy the last or in the lead, since after all he comes first?


The one on the left is last. He can't be in the lead unless they were running backwards - which is quite difficult to do especially when you are whistling.
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Scalywag wrote

Actually, that's three in a pile (or stack) because they are on top of one another.

This is a queue...
because they are facing the same direction, one behind the other. (This was traditionally seen at English bus stops but has practically died out now)

This is a row...
because they are facing the same direction but beside each other.


p.s. Sorry. Pedants rule!
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OK But mine was from the air looking down on the queue. They all heard the aircraft flying overhead and looked up!!!!


Speak to the hand - this one is a celebrity
Think - this one is unsure if he should be in the queue
Eh? - this one is worried about the aircrft flying overhead


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Yorker wrote:

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OK But mine was from the air looking down on the queue. They all heard the aircraft flying overhead and looked up!!!!


Speak to the hand - this one is a celebrity
Think - this one is unsure if he should be in the queue
Eh? - this one is worried about the aircrft flying overhead



At least you didn't say they were lying down because that would have made them 'three in a bed'.


What was a celebrity doing in a bus queue?
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Yorker wrote:
Scalywag wrote

Actually, that's three in a pile (or stack) because they are on top of one another.

This is a queue...
because they are facing the same direction, one behind the other. (This was traditionally seen at English bus stops but has practically died out now)

This is a row...
because they are facing the same direction but beside each other.


p.s. Sorry. Pedants rule!
_______________________________________________________________________________________

OK But mine was from the air looking down on the queue. They all heard the aircraft flying overhead and looked up!!!!


Speak to the hand - this one is a celebrity
Think - this one is unsure if he should be in the queue
Eh? - this one is worried about the aircrft flying overhead


hahaha

I think Eh? is someone who had never seen sheepcraft before :D

Shame on you - and this is the guy who is sick of me not shutting up about sheepcraft and is about to punch me.
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
I thought a Brazilian would know about hat trick, in soccer at least ;-)


I'm not surprised, since the average score of a soccer game is about 1.342876234 to 0.4234723. So hat tricks are pretty uncommon! (yes, I know some games have a lot of goals, but they're not the norm).

Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
In ice-hockey there's one special phrase: Gordie Howe Hattrick which means a goal, an assist and a fight (it must be in a queue, not in a row, unless he passed himself, made a goal and had a fight with goaltender all at the same time ;-)


What if he has a fight with himself? Some people argue with themselves, why not a full-blown fight? And since you know your own weaknesses, you are bound to hurt yourself pretty bad. Whistle

As for the initial post, I had never heard the expression "in a queue" before. If a row is horizontal, could you use the expression "in a column" if it goes the other way? I just made it up, so the answer is probably "no".

I'm not sure if either of these expressions is appropriate though. A hat trick is three goals in the same game, no matter when they are scored and what happens between your goals. However, there is something called a natural hat trick which means a player scored three goals in the same period and without anyone else scoring in between. So I guess the "in a row" (or queue) would apply then!

Just my 1.8 cents (that's 2 Canadian cents).
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Actually I really don't care, but we are having fun in this queue waiting for bus.

And don't tell the others. I think that celebrity has a rifle.


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early_apex wrote:
What does this have to do with octopus?


I found my answer:

A:

For starters, the octopus is NOT in ALL of hockey. It is used EXCLUSIVELY in connection with the Detroit Red Wings of the NHL. And secondly, it is NOT thrown for a hat trick. Even during Red Wing games, if a player scores a hat trick, fans throw their HATS onto the ice (usually baseball caps).
It started during the 1952 Stanley Cup Playoffs. At that time there were only 6 teams, and to win the Stanley Cup required 8 playoff victories (two best of seven series). The owner of a local fish shop in Detroit threw an octopus onto the ice claiming that the 8 tentacles represented the 8 games that the Red Wings would win to get the Stanley Cup. The Wings won the Cup, and the tradition of using an Octopus to rally the Red Wings was born.

Now there are 30 teams in the NHL, and it takes 16 victories to win the Stanley Cup, but the original playoff symbolism remains. Which is why the octopus toss is rarely seen during the regular season (except for the last few games when the Playoffs are very near).

No team in the NHL has more fans attend AWAY games than the Detroit Red Wings, so an octopus may be seen in any city in which the Red Wings are competing. However, the throwing of ANY object onto the ice in ANY arena (including Joe Louis Arena - home of the Detroit Red Wings) is ALWAYS prohibited, and therefore runs the risk of getting kicked out of the game. This risk is obviously much lower at Joe Louis Arena where the behavior is not only tolerated, but (unofficially) encouraged, as long as certain rules are followed.

First of all, the octopus should be boiled prior to the game to prevent it from sticking to the ice, and to eliminate any residue from the outside of the octopus flying off of it as Al Sabotka swings it around over his head to fire up the crowd when he removes it from the ice. Secondly, NEVER thow it onto the ice while the game is being played. This will assuredly give the Red Wings a penalty for delay of game. The acceptable times for throwing an octopus onto the ice is right after the Red Wings score a goal, OR right after the singing of the National Anthem, OR at the conclusion of the game (although most fans can't wait that long).



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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Friday, November 27, 2009 3:44:21 PM

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Apex, can you draw that octopus here with smileys so we all get that. Never mind wich way they look but forget the celebrity. Just watch yourself for squidcraft.



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Scallywag, JPX, early apex and Jrkka Jatka

I laughed so much I spilt my wine. O.K. Lets clear this matter up shall we:

The celebrity is in the queue because he is going incognito.

The Sheepcraft and squidcraft are flying at altitude in formation
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This is two columns of Brazilian footballers

Anxious Sick
Eh? Not talking
Sick Shhh
Silenced Not talking
Eh? Think
Not talking Whistle
Speak to the hand Not talking

The one in line whistling is the one with the gun.

Are we all pefectly clear now?



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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Friday, November 27, 2009 4:51:35 PM

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Sorry. To be peedant.

It's prefectly.

Oum! Pray

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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Friday, November 27, 2009 4:53:59 PM

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Yorker wrote:

This is two columns of Brazilian footballers

Anxious Sick
Eh? Not talking
Sick Shhh
Silenced Not talking
Eh? Think
Not talking Whistle
Speak to the hand Not talking

The one in line whistling is the one with the gun.

Are we all pefectly clear now?



Third guy in second pile did not shave this morning.


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