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Daemon
Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:00:00 AM
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Everything's got a moral, if only you can find it.

Lewis Carroll (1832-1898)
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Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:40:24 AM

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What kind of morals are they? If only I can find them?

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Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:11:09 PM

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bomber wrote:
What kind of morals are they? If only I can find them?


If you have to questioning about morals, seem like you don't have any. And, that is sad.

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PapaEcho
Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2009 3:09:09 PM

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I concur.

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -Thomas Jefferson

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FlashBack1968
Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2009 3:53:35 PM

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Daemon wrote:
Everything's got a moral, if only you can find it.


Isn't it a kind of knowing? A gut feeling that this or that is moral.
Are morals taught to us at an early stage of life or is it an intrinsic nataure that God embeded within us?

"Life is an attitude. It's what you choose to believe, always!"
nw3bk3y
Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2009 5:26:48 PM

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You guys are confusing the adjective with the noun. He is talking about "the moral of the story" not "he is a moral person". The moral (noun) means the "practical lessons to be learned (as from a story)". Mr. Carroll is saying that you can learn something from everything you deal with in life, people, places, events, you name it.



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Drew
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I would say that the finding of morals hinges largely on the willingness to look, which isn't something all people necessarily possess.
ardii
Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:47:16 PM
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nw3bk3y wrote:
You guys are confusing the adjective with the noun. He is talking about "the moral of the story" not "he is a moral person". The moral (noun) means the "practical lessons to be learned (as from a story)". Mr. Carroll is saying that you can learn something from everything you deal with in life, people, places, events, you name it.



Thanks nw3bk3y. If some contributors would try to understand the quote first before throwing aspersions at it, that would help. And if one doesn't know, just inquire or ask a pointed question.
redsxz
Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:58:14 PM
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Morals, or practical lessons, as it seems to me are too generalized and unhelpful in many situations. How many times can these lessons be practical, or must we make some sort of structure that say that if action x lead to action y which to action z and not a then apply moral b. This is too ridiculous because then there would be hundreds of morals and not enough stories to contain them.
ardii
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redsxz wrote:
Morals, or practical lessons, as it seems to me are too generalized and unhelpful in many situations. How many times can these lessons be practical, or must we make some sort of structure that say that if action x lead to action y which to action z and not a then apply moral b. This is too ridiculous because then there would be hundreds of morals and not enough stories to contain them.


The quote says "Everything's got a moral..." not what are morals. I think you may be barking up the wrong tree.
sandraleesmith46
Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2009 11:32:25 PM

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Redsx thinks there are too many morals to be contained in stories. Back in the 50's there was a TV show called "The Naked City", which began each week with the line that there were 7 million stories in the naked city, and that show was just one of them. It was set in NYC, and that was the approximate population at the time. There are enough stories. Drew brought up the point of being willing to look for the moral to a story. And Flashback1968 wants to know if morals are something built-in, or that we're taught. We do each have to be willing to look for the moral, and unfortunately, sometimes an individual will find and learn the "wrong" moral from a given story. As to built-in or learned, they are learned. While in a sociology class in college, I remember the professor making the statement that we humans are never more than a single generation away from savagery. At the time I understood the words, well enough, but not the concept: I get it completely now. Morals are taught, usually beginning very early in life, before most of us have clear memories. They're not "hardwired" in, as part of our genetic code. Most are pretty much universal among humans, but not all. Some are purely cultural, found in one specific group and not others. One such is cannibalism: in a few cultures it was considered perfectly moral. such as the Jivaro Indians along the Amazon in South America, and some of the Aborigine tribes in western New Guinea, even well into the 20th century. Yet to most of human cultures, the practice is abhorrent, and completely taboo, and those who have practiced it even in extreme conditions, such as the Donner Party, or the soccer team caught in the plane crash in the Andes and stuck up there most of a winter, are looked down upon, even shunned by others of the same cultures, even while the reason they did so is understood. The pertinent thing in our modern society is, I think, they're NOT being taught, or if they are, not well, any longer, and it seems we as a society may well be in danger of reverting to that savagery my professor was talking about, all those years ago.

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Geeman
Posted: Sunday, November 22, 2009 12:06:48 AM

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Story: This evening I found something in my refridgerator. I could not identify it... but I ate it anyway. It might have been chicken. It might have been old milk. Tomorrow I may die. Or I might be fine.

Moral: ?
redsxz
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ardii wrote:
redsxz wrote:
Morals, or practical lessons, as it seems to me are too generalized and unhelpful in many situations. How many times can these lessons be practical, or must we make some sort of structure that say that if action x lead to action y which to action z and not a then apply moral b. This is too ridiculous because then there would be hundreds of morals and not enough stories to contain them.


The quote says "Everything's got a moral..." not what are morals. I think you may be barking up the wrong tree.


I dunno maybe I am. I'm jsut really really confused at the moment.
redsxz
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Geeman wrote:
Story: This evening I found something in my refridgerator. I could not identify it... but I ate it anyway. It might have been chicken. It might have been old milk. Tomorrow I may die. Or I might be fine.

Moral: ?


If it aint broke, fix it or something.
tanya
Posted: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:24:32 AM
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Everything's got a moral, if only you can find it.

Everything means each thing got a moral... since our eyes can be deceiving, sometimes it is difficult to see the morality of a thing.
pedro
Posted: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:43:54 AM

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[quote=sandraleesmith46] Back in the 50's there was a TV show called "The Naked City", which began each week with the line that there were 7 million stories in the naked city, and that show was just one of them.


Hate to be pedantic on a Monday morning but I think it was eight!

Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.- Diderot
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