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It is as natural to die, as to be born; and to a little infant, perhaps, the one is as painful, as the other. Options
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It is as natural to die, as to be born; and to a little infant, perhaps, the one is as painful, as the other.

Francis Bacon (1561-1626)
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Just this morning, I heard this saying:

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Life can be natural, common, dull - but neither birth nor death. It's a miracle! As for the pain, until we get a unit of measurement of pain (and hopefully pleasure) it remains mostly guesswork.
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"The force that through the green fuse drives the flower
Drives my green age; that blasts the roots of trees
Is my destroyer."

Dylan Thomas




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Daemon wrote:
It is as natural to die, as to be born; and to a little infant, perhaps, the one is as painful, as the other.

Francis Bacon (1561-1626)


"Of Death" the second essay, in which Bacon indulged his love of writing in Latin and that of Roman antiquity to illustrate his point about man's fear of death.
The quotation leads the way to his conclusion: " It is as natural to die, as to be born; and to a little infant, perhaps, the one is as painful, as the other.
He that dies in an earnest pursuit, is like one that is wounded in hot blood; who, for the time, scarce feels the hurt;...but above all , believe it, the sweetest canticle is
nunc dimittis (now you dismiss); (if and) when a man hath obtained worthy ends, and expectations. Death hath this also; that it openeth the gate to good fame and extinguisheth envy."
Parentheses are mine. And for good measure, Bacon added: "exstinctus amabitur idem" the same man will be loved- after his death. So take heart, fear not death.

To the little infant death, perhaps, is as painful as birth for having not the chance to obtain the worthy ends.
Nunc dimittis is explained here: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11159a.htm
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Bully_rus wrote:
As for the pain, until we get a unit of measurement of pain (and hopefully pleasure) it remains mostly guesswork.


Apparently there is a unit of pain called the Dol. This is presumably why doctors, trying to save money on prescriptive drugs, will bamboozle you by asking you to rate your pain on a scale of 1 to 10

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Unfortunately, it's too judgemental and for infants cannot be applied. We need more usable unit of measurement for pain that can be readily used in devices like thermometer.
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Daemon wrote:
It is as natural to die, as to be born; and to a little infant, perhaps, the one is as painful, as the other.

Francis Bacon (1561-1626)


Poor Sir Francis Bacon, little did he know that 400 years later it would "all be Greek" to most of us, and it would not hurt a bit.
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Verbatim wrote:
Daemon wrote:
It is as natural to die, as to be born; and to a little infant, perhaps, the one is as painful, as the other.

Francis Bacon (1561-1626)


Poor Sir Francis Bacon, little did he know that 400 years later it would "all be Greek" to most of us, and it would not hurt a bit.


"Ironically, in the hands of 20th-century physicians, birth itself has become more painful for babies. Generally, doctors have not been concerned about babies' pain. They have been more concerned about fetal distress (heart rate fluctuations signaling distress) than about neonatal distress."

(http://www.nocirc.org/symposia/second/chamberlain.html)

That death can be painful is beyond dispute.

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