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CharlesEnglish
Posted: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 9:10:15 AM
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Hello,
Would you please explain where to place 'gern' when it is used along with 'möchten'.
Thank you!
IMcRout
Posted: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 10:25:52 AM

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Ich möchte das gern machen. - This is probably the normal word order, i.e. placed between auxiliary verb and main verb.
Similarly: Das möchte ich gern machen. - if you react to a request.

Gern möchte ich das machen. - You would put the word 'gern' at the beginning of the sentence, if you want to emphasize it.

And if you add an indirect object, it will look like this,
Ich möchte Ihnen das gern erklären.

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CharlesEnglish
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:12:25 AM
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Thank you. And what does each word mean? I've seen sentences with möchten or gern only. (Ich möchte Kaffee. / Der Kaffee ist toll. Den trinke ich gern.) :D
IMcRout
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:17:07 PM

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This is a bit tricky and based on the difference between 'mögen' and 'möchten' on the one hand and the difference in meaning and usage of the word 'gern' on the other hand.

'Mögen' means to like someone or something.
--> Ich mag dich (sehr). -- I like you (very much). / I'm fond of you.
--> Ich mag Bonbons. -- I like / am fond of candy.

The verb has a past tense (mochte) and a perfect participle (gemocht).
--> Als Kind mochte ich keine Spinat. - As a child I didn't like spinach.
--> Boxen habe ich noch nie gemocht. - I have never liked boxing.

But 'mögen' is also an auxiliary or modal verb ( like wollen, sollen, können etc.) with the meaning of 'like doing sth.'.

Paul mag fernsehen. -- Paul likes watching TV.
Wir mögen schwimmen. -- We like swimming.

'Möchten' is actually and originally a subjunctive form of 'mögen' but nowadays is used mainly with the meaning of 'want', yet sounds much more polite.
It does not have past forms. You use 'wollte' or 'gewollt' instead.

--> Christine möchte gern ins Kino gehen, ich möchte aber liber zu Hause bleiben. - Ch. would like to go to the cinema but I'd rather stay at home.

'Gern' or 'gerne' is used as an adverb in the meaning of 'with pleasure', 'willingly' or 'like ..'.

--> Sie isst gerne Pizza. -- She likes eating Pizza.
--> Ich helfe dir gern. -- Of course, I'll help you. / .. with pleasure.

Or you use it to express a polite wish.

Ich möchte gern noch ein Stück Kuchen. -- I'd like another piece of cake.

What is left out - but understood implicitly - in both the German and the English version is the word 'haben' / 'to have'.

And then there is the verb 'gernhaben' which is very similar in meaning to 'mögen' = like, be fond of.

--> Ich habe sie gern. = Ich mag sie. - I like her. I'm fond of her.

As to your sentences:

Ich möchte Kaffee. - This sounds rather rude unless it is in answer to the question 'Möchten sie lieber Kaffee oder Tee?'. Yet you'd still better add the magic word 'bitte'.

Der Kaffee ist toll. Den trinke ich gern.

-- This coffee is / tastes great. I like drinking it.

Ich möchte gern / bitte eine Tasse Kaffee (haben). - Here 'gern' or 'bitte' are used to be polite.



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CharlesEnglish
Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:50:58 AM
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Kann ich noch eine Frage stellen? What is the difference between gern and gerne? :D
IMcRout
Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:14:01 PM

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There is practically no difference. 'Gerne' is probably slightly more formal than 'gern'.

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CharlesEnglish
Posted: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 11:50:38 AM
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I have come across the following sentences: Kinder mögen schöne Geschichten hören. / Aber ich mag nicht so gern Hausaufgaben machen. I thought it was only possible to use gern/gerne when you say you like doing something.
Would you please explain me if it is possible to say you like doing something by using mögen, not gern? Would the sentences be OK if I used gern in place of mögen? (Kinder hören gern schöne Geschichten. / Ich mache Hausaufgaben nicht so gern.)
Thank you very much.
IMcRout
Posted: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:09:48 PM

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Sehr gut, Charles. Und ich bügele nicht sehr gern.

Ein frohes Neues Jahr wünsche ich.

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Posted: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:17:09 PM

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gern gerne
Ich möchte meinen, da ist kein Unterschied. Ich habe jetzt nicht nachgeschaut, aber ich glaube, die ältere Form ist gerne, die aber, weil es eben ein häufig gebrauchtes Wort ist, schon zu einem einsilbigen Wort gekürzt wird. Zur Zeit werden beide
Formen gebraucht, ohne Unterschied, und es dürften rhythmische Gründe mitspielen, welche Form gebraucht wird. Lexika haben oft den Eintrag: gern(e).





CharlesEnglish
Posted: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 7:53:51 PM
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Vielen Dank, IMcRout und rogermue. Ein frohes Neues Jahr! :D
Kilda
Posted: Friday, July 18, 2014 1:07:01 PM

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IMcRout wrote:

--> Ich mag dich (sehr). -- I like you (very much). / I'm fond of you.


Is es möglich zu benutzen "Ich hab dich gern/lieb"? um "I like you" zu sagen? Danke sehr :)
IMcRout
Posted: Friday, July 18, 2014 1:46:02 PM

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"Ist es möglich das Wort 'gern' zu benutzen "Ich hab dich gern/lieb"? um "I like you" zu sagen? Danke sehr :)

Ja, das kann man sagen. "Ich hab' dich lieb." ist aber sehr nahe bei "Ich liebe dich."

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