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Happened to find this in Wikipedia: "The term Finglish was introduced by professor Martti Nisonen in 1920s in Hancock, Michigan to describe a linguistic phenomenon he encountered in America. As the term describes, Finglish is a mixture of English and Finnish. In Finglish the English lexical items are nativized and inserted into the framework of Finnish morphology and syntax. The Finnish immigrants to USA and Canada are one group that speak Finglish, but Finglish is also found in any place in Finland, where international contacts and popular culture exists, including Finnish language learners. The history of Finglish may be divided between Old Finglish and New Finglish..." The whole article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinglishI think it's nowadays very common everywhere to mix English words nd local language.
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And it's so much fun to say! "Finglish" (giggle)
p.s. What's all this I hear about Finnish being related to Japanese?
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Luftmarque wrote:
p.s. What's all this I hear about Finnish being related to Japanese?
Yes, as close relative as English to Korean.
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Jyrkka,
I spent a few days in Helsinki on my return trip from Russia in 1988.Though my visit was very short, it was quite fun and memorable. The Finns sure were friendly. I was shocked at prices though. We were desperate for some American junk food. At that time the available fare in Moscow and other Russians destinations had been poor. When we landed in Helsinki we went straight to a McDonalds and each orderded the standard cheeseburger,fries and a Coke. $18.00. That was a lot by 1988 standards. It seemed that everywhere we wandered, people realized we were Americans (no, we weren't wearing the usual American tourist outfits) and wanted to cozy up to us. I loved the public,self cleaning port-o-potties. So ultra-modern/high tech. AND I was constantly reminded of what a physically beautiful populace inhabits that ciy. One thing though, people were drunk,drunk,drunk in the middle of the day. They were driving all over the place,weaving in and out and onto the sidewalks. I've always wanted to go back to Finland as a destination trip instead of a stop over.
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AJC wrote:Jyrkka,
I spent a few days in Helsinki on my return trip from Russia in 1988.Though my visit was very short, it was quite fun and memorable. The Finns sure were friendly. I was shocked at prices though. We were desperate for some American junk food. At that time the available fare in Moscow and other Russians destinations had been poor. When we landed in Helsinki we went straight to a McDonalds and each orderded the standard cheeseburger,fries and a Coke. $18.00. That was a lot by 1988 standards. It seemed that everywhere we wandered, people realized we were Americans (no, we weren't wearing the usual American tourist outfits) and wanted to cozy up to us. I loved the public,self cleaning port-o-potties. So ultra-modern/high tech. AND I was constantly reminded of what a physically beautiful populace inhabits that ciy. One thing though, people were drunk,drunk,drunk in the middle of the day. They were driving all over the place,weaving in and out and onto the sidewalks. I've always wanted to go back to Finland as a destination trip instead of a stop over. 18 bucks each? I bet it was Finnish Marks or $18 all three together. Big Mac -meal nowadays is somewhat 5-7 euros. Drunk people? They were propably tourists. 
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HA. It was &18.00American for two of us. Maybe we were just drunk in the middle of the day. We were tourists after all.
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Holy Mockingbird! You were having SuperHugeBig Macs, or accidentally opened wrong door. Finns have same prices for tourists.
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Do the American Finns speak and old dialect with Finglish?
"Supposin' I was to go to work and learn how to... to read writin'. Well, how'd I know that the feller that... that wrote the writin' was a writin' the writin' right? See it could be that he wrote the writin' all wrong. Here I'd be just a readin' wrong writin', don't ya see? You probably been doin' it your whole life, just a readin' wrong writin' and not even knowin‘ it." Festus
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fred wrote:Do the American Finns speak and old dialect with Finglish? Finglish was - and is nowadays - a mixture of English and standard or spoken Finnish. Of course the early settlers came from all parts of the country with their several dialects.
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:fred wrote:Do the American Finns speak and old dialect with Finglish? Finglish was - and is nowadays - a mixture of English and standard or spoken Finnish. Of course the early settlers came from all parts of the country with their several dialects. What were the different Finnish dialects and what influenced the differences (aside from Swedish)? How do these dialects relate to Estonian and/or Latvian if at all?
"Supposin' I was to go to work and learn how to... to read writin'. Well, how'd I know that the feller that... that wrote the writin' was a writin' the writin' right? See it could be that he wrote the writin' all wrong. Here I'd be just a readin' wrong writin', don't ya see? You probably been doin' it your whole life, just a readin' wrong writin' and not even knowin‘ it." Festus
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fred wrote:
What were the different Finnish dialects and what influenced the differences (aside from Swedish)?
How do these dialects relate to Estonian and/or Latvian if at all?
Swedish is a North Germanic language, close relative to Norwegian and Danish. English, Dutch and German belong to same sub-group in Indo-European language family. Latvian is also Indo-European language in Baltic sub-group with Lithuanian. The Baltic-Finnic languages, or Finnic, spoken around the Baltic Sea by about 7 million people, are a branch of the Uralic language family. The major languages are Finnish and Estonian. A far relative is Hungarian. Finnish dialects are divided to western and eastern (which are divided to smaller sub-dialects). Neighboring Swedish or Russian have influenced to vocabulary but not to the structure of language or dialects. One can compare the difference between Finnish and Estonian like English and Frisian.
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:fred wrote:
What were the different Finnish dialects and what influenced the differences (aside from Swedish)?
How do these dialects relate to Estonian and/or Latvian if at all?
Swedish is a North Germanic language, close relative to Norwegian and Danish. English, Dutch and German belong to same sub-group in Indo-European language family. Latvian is also Indo-European language in Baltic sub-group with Lithuanian. The Baltic-Finnic languages, or Finnic, spoken around the Baltic Sea by about 7 million people, are a branch of the Uralic language family. The major languages are Finnish and Estonian. A far relative is Hungarian. Finnish dialects are divided to western and eastern (which are divided to smaller sub-dialects). Neighboring Swedish or Russian have influenced to vocabulary but not to the structure of language or dialects. One can compare the difference between Finnish and Estonian like English and Frisian. The difference between the East and West dialects are the inflences of Swedish and Russian? If this is the case, is there a cultural/character difference between East and West Finland? Are the Finns a dark/brooding type like some of their Swedish neighbors?
"Supposin' I was to go to work and learn how to... to read writin'. Well, how'd I know that the feller that... that wrote the writin' was a writin' the writin' right? See it could be that he wrote the writin' all wrong. Here I'd be just a readin' wrong writin', don't ya see? You probably been doin' it your whole life, just a readin' wrong writin' and not even knowin‘ it." Festus
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fred wrote:
The difference between the East and West dialects are the inflences of Swedish and Russian?
If this is the case, is there a cultural/character difference between East and West Finland?
Are the Finns a dark/brooding type like some of their Swedish neighbors?
Actually no. Of course there are more Slavic loanwords in eastern dialects and more Germanic in western. Most of the loans, anyhow, had been adopted before there were any Sweden or Russia. From TFD encyclopedia: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Finnish (language) >>
History
Pre-Christian era
It is believed that the Balto-Finnic languages evolved from a proto-Finnic language, from which Sami was separated around 1500-1000 BC. Current research indicates there were three or more proto-Finnic dialects.[6] The Baltic Finnic languages separated around the 1st century, but continued to influence each other. Therefore, the Eastern Finnish dialects are genetically Eastern proto-Finnic, with many Eastern features, and the Southwestern Finnish dialects have many genuine Estonian influences.
Medieval period
Since Finland was annexed to Catholic Sweden in the Middle Ages, the status of Finnish was for long that of an oral language. The language of business was Middle Low German, the language of administration Swedish, and religious activities were held in Latin, leaving few possibilities for Finns to use their mother tongue in situations other than daily chores.
The first known written example of Finnish comes from this era and was found in a German travel journal dating back to c.1450: Mynna tachton gernast spuho somen gelen Emyna dayda (Modern Finnish: "Minä tahdon kernaasti puhua suomen kieltä, [mutta] en minä taida"; English: "I willingly want to speak Finnish, [but] I cannot").[7] According to the travel journal, a Finnish bishop, whose name is unknown, was behind the above phrase.
>>There are minor cultural differences between eastern and western parts of Finland where influences of the neighbors can be seen (foods, celebrations, crafts and design, etc.) but, overall, people are the same. From American point of view, all Finns, eastern or western, can be seen similar to Swedes or other Scandinavian. We can even think all the North-Western European people sharing the same kind of culture (politics, democracy, arts, technology and so on). During the 19th century Finland was under Russian rule. At that time a separate Finnish identity was expressed by the University docent A. I. Arwidsson (1791 - 1858) in a phrase that, somewhat modified, became an often quoted Fennoman credo: "Swedes we are not , Russians we do not want to become, let us therefore become Finns." (Swedish form: "Svenskar äro vi icke längre, ryssar vilja vi icke bli, låt oss alltså bli finnar." Finnish form: "Ruotsalaisia emme ole, venäläisiksi emme tule, olkaamme siis suomalaisia.")
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