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Daemon
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In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.

James Madison (1751-1836)
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Charming!!, I take it that James Madison hasnt heard of equality of the sexes?..... then his comment may have been interesting.
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I think Mr Madison had it ass backwards. Government should learn first to govern itself and then it will be able to properly and justly govern the people. The perfect example is the mess our present
day government is in. It needs to be totally torn down, ridded of the greedy psychopathic parasites in all three branches and given back to the people, with new laws of term limits and war guide lines just for starters.
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Anyway, between the branches as well as the governed have to be clearance, play and sometimes even playoff. Now when people don't want the intervention in the Syria, what must Obama to do? Give a sign, James, help him!
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An idiots' guide is needed.
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Daemon wrote:
In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.

James Madison (1751-1836)


The quotation is from The Federalist No.51: "The Structure of the Government Must Furnish the Proper Checks and Balances Between the Different Departments"
Independent Journal
Wednesday, February 6, 1788
[James Madison]

Madison was 37 years of age and the American Independence a mere 12 years in existence. The United States of America must start from scratch, there is hardly any empirical basis
for self-government in the colonies, only some knowledge gleaned from the Classics; everything must be hammered out theoretically if the Confederation of States is to survive.
And imagine that, Madison forgot to be politically correct!

Here is the larger context, might be a bit tedious for some:
But the great security against a gradual concentration of the several powers in the same department, consists in giving to those who administer each department the necessary constitutional means and personal motives to resist encroachments of the others. The provision for defense must in this, as in all other cases, be made commensurate to the danger of attack. Ambition must be made to counteract ambition. The interest of the man must be connected with the constitutional rights of the place. It may be a reflection on human nature, that such devices should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.

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'The politicians Guide for Dummies',....leading by example would be a nice change, not spending more that you earn would be another.
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