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percivalpecksniff
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:34:37 AM

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Quote: Plagiarism is defined in dictionaries as the "wrongful appropriation," "close imitation," or "purloining and publication" of another author’s "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions," and the representation of them as one's own original work. Quote Wikipedia


I think most of us here on this forum would never consider such an artful act. However, occasionally one wonders… especially when one does a search and finds similarities in a posters offerings.

Plagiarism is a real problem in the field of education, isn’t it? Students have easy access to others works and can play about with the text. It is all about integrity I think… something money cannot buy… and not a short cut to recognition.

This is quite funny and informative.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTPv9PtOoo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H-ezqMhZA8

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Yakcal
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:45:48 AM

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There will always be people who look for an easy, unethical way to achieve their goals; and there will always be people who won't.

I count myself among the latter.

Thanks for the entertaining and informative post, percivalpecksniff.

Namaste.



Be yourself; everyone else is already taken. -Oscar Wilde
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:00:49 PM

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Would I do that?



Very good message Percy! I enjoyed the videos.


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GabhSigenod
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:59:05 PM

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We didn't have the problem a half century ago. Is it today's internet?

Mise, tá mé lán de dea-fhortún.
almostfreebird
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:22:42 PM

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Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:31:31 PM

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GabhSigenod wrote:
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We didn't have the problem a half century ago. Is it today's internet?

I should imagine it hasn't helped.

"Copy and paste" a page or two takes a minute, then replace a few words with synonyms (found in TFD in another tab) takes a few minutes more.

Typing out two pages, amending the wording as you go, takes a lot longer.


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RuthP
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:49:18 PM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
GabhSigenod wrote:
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We didn't have the problem a half century ago. Is it today's internet?

I should imagine it hasn't helped.

"Copy and paste" a page or two takes a minute, then replace a few words with synonyms (found in TFD in another tab) takes a few minutes more.

Typing out two pages, amending the wording as you go, takes a lot longer.

Copy and paste technology has made it easier, but search technology has also made it harder to get away with.

Google search results: Teacher, search engine, plagiarism checker

I don't know how well these can deal with alterations. As far as I know, the original versions of these were designed to catch essays and term papers purchased or downloaded free in toto.

The important words within a paper, however, probably remain even after alterations are made. A determined instructor could catch most of the instances, because my guess is anyone lazy enough to seriously plagiarize is too lazy to use offline resources.
Epiphileon
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:04:41 PM

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RuthP wrote:

The important words within a paper, however, probably remain even after alterations are made. A determined instructor could catch most of the instances, because my guess is anyone lazy enough to seriously plagiarize is too lazy to use offline resources.

I agree Ruth, and I think that most instructors will get suspicious when an average to mediocre student turns in an excellent paper. I am not sure I can even figure out what kind of person would resort to plagiarizing material here, but then I also can't figure out why people want to involve themselves in dueling, or crossing swords. I would much rather take up a shovel with other capable minds and dig for accurate knowledge, and if I fundamentally disagree with the entire frame of reference for a particular thread, just leave it alone.

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Daveski
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:21:48 PM

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Epiphileon wrote:
[ I am not sure I can even figure out what kind of person would resort to plagiarizing material here, but then I also can't figure out why people want to involve themselves in dueling, or crossing swords.


My guess is that Picky Pecky is intimating in his troll-like style that 'someone' here has posted plagiarised material. That 'someone' could be a professional educator for all I know & be pasting things from a scheme of work that they had developed after years of teaching English language & literature. They may have posted them in other literature forums & discovered that other people found them so useful that that 'someone' believed that those postings might be interesting to people on this forum. It is a particularly low kind of trolling to 'accuse' someone of plagiarising in an underhand & roundabout way though.

That's what I'm speculating. Whistle

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almostfreebird
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:33:51 PM

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The best thing is just put hyperlinks instead of plagiarizing, if possible.




Tovarish
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:48:35 PM

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Plagarism is a very serious issue, especially in a legal document, think it cant happen?

It already has in the findings of the Royal Commission into the effects of chemicals in South Vietnam, carried out in the mid 80's.

The 12 book findings of the Royal Commissioner was directly plagarised from the submission from Monsanto, one of the major chemical companies

submitting evidence.

The final document was flawed in so many ways, but it doesnt finish there.

Those finding are referred to as an accurate history of the chemical issue in South Vietnam during the war.

How accurate can the reciently released 'History of the Vietnam War', published in Australia by an historian who has used this final report as

an accurate document?

percivalpecksniff
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:23:12 PM

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I hope you are right Ruth... but there are some cunning folk out there, and some intelligent lazy ones too.


You are a bit off-topic there I think Epi. I had no one in mind... it is a general subject and not subjective. As to why anyone on this forum would plagiarise I would have thought that was obvious. Ego and a natural penchant for lying. But in my view most of us would never consider such an act.

As to dueling and crossing swords... off-topic... you have done plenty of that in the past Epi.

Yes Tov it surely does happen.


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Epiphileon
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:47:13 PM

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percivalpecksniff wrote:

You are a bit off-topic there I think Epi. I had no one in mind... it is a general subject and not subjective. As to why anyone on this forum would plagiarize I would have thought that was obvious. Ego and a natural penchant for lying. But in my view most of us would never consider such an act.

Nor did I think you had anyone in particular in mind, however, you did state that some posts here had caused you to wonder. Therefore, my comment on, not being sure what type of person would do that here, is not actually off topic.


As to dueling and crossing swords... off-topic... you have done plenty of that in the past Epi.


Perhaps Peter, I would challenge the "off topic" part though, as most of those encounters, if I recall correctly, occurred in my own threads, that either were, or were attempting to be dragged off topic by people exhibiting troll like behavior, but that would be years ago, when I was foolish enough to be drawn into such nonsense by that rogue Peter Hewett. I learned that lesson, for the most part, and therefor largely ignore such.



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percivalpecksniff
Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:42:39 AM

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Me too Epi. Peace.


PS...sip...sip... sip... Yes PH was a rogue… sip,gulp,gulp! but I do miss him. Gulp! I often wonder what happened to him. Some say he went off into the wilderness of Tibet to become a monk, others that he took up knitting. I did hear that he is a shadow of the man he once was and is now idling away his life making millions, with a bevy of nubile ladies at his beck and call. Hic! Gulp!


It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle
leonAzul
Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:01:22 AM

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What was the question?


"Make it go away, Mrs Whatsit," he whispered. "Make it go away. It's evil."
percivalpecksniff
Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:24:34 AM

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I have forgotton Leon... where is my G&T? Hic!

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle
leonAzul
Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:46:00 AM

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percivalpecksniff wrote:
I have forgotton Leon... where is my G&T? Hic!


Yesh!


"Make it go away, Mrs Whatsit," he whispered. "Make it go away. It's evil."
pedro
Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:54:13 AM

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The most blatant example of quotinganother's work without citation that comes to mind is this offering from Margaret Thatcher c 2011

"Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habit. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.” She added a couple of banal lines of her own but didn't inform us that Lao
Tzu had pre-empted the quote by over two and a half thousand years. Pagiarism is endemic in politics.


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What was the wonderful line of GW Bush, "Catch me once and I am the fool etc etc' he goes on to get terribly tangled, does anyone remember?
percivalpecksniff
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Was that a Bushism Tov? Have'nt heard that one.

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pedro
Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:44:24 AM

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"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

I miss him!

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Tovarish
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Thats it Pedro, but when GW tried to say it, the words got terribly tangled.

I love his sayings,

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?", GW Bush, 11th January 2000.

"For a centuary and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times",GW Bush, 18th February 2002.

percivalpecksniff
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:31:31 AM

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Of course it is easy to forget to paste acknowledgement when using others works... the odd slip up can be excused, I think. But to repeatedly use other's creations is very dishonest.

The following is well presented and informative. Keep pressing the 'next' button, etcetera.

http://library.acadiau.ca/tutorials/plagiarism/

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle
Marissa La Faye Isolde
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:36:11 PM
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To Pedro: Margret Thatcher probably didn't write her own speech and probably didn't have enough sense to question the person who did.
(Forgive my black humor cynicism )
excaelis
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Oh, she had the sense, but realised that the proportion of her audience that might catch Lao Tzu was politically insignificant and not voting for her anyway.

Sanity is not statistical
Prim*
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Marissa La Faye Isolde wrote:
To Pedro: Margret Thatcher probably didn't write her own speech and probably didn't have enough sense to question the person who did.
(Forgive my black humor cynicism )


That's biting. Rather sarcastic; not very cynical.

almostfreebird
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Looks like at least 3 posts vanished including mine.




pedro
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to get back on topic; Looks like at least 3 posts vanished including mine.




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pedro wrote:
to get back on topic; Looks like at least 3 posts vanished including mine.



I looked into this lately, and there was a general scrum against spammage, with some collateral damage.

So it goes.


"Make it go away, Mrs Whatsit," he whispered. "Make it go away. It's evil."
almostfreebird
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In the album " All Things Must Pass",
I liked " All Things Must Pass" the best and I don't remember much about the rest of the album.

So I do not care if "My Sweet Lord" sounds like "He's So Fine".

Maybe "subconscious" plagiarism.
Anyway it was a triple album.



George Harrison-My Sweet Lord


The Chiffons - He's So Fine 1963



Daveski
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I was virtually accused of plagiarism on these very forums. Although the spineless jellyfish that accused me seem to have disappeared into wherever jelly like invertebrates crawl when they realise how spineless they really are. I imagine them skulking somewhere & wobbling.

docendo discimus
Daveski
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I may even write a poem about spineless skulking wobbly jelly-like things that have no backbone one day.

docendo discimus
Daveski
Posted: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:05:21 AM

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For the purists, I won't label this a haiku or senryu chain. Although I was tempted to end the chain with a tanka. It is more 'influenced' by the senryu/haiku chain format.




Spineless & gutless
in their unctuosity -
slithering wobble

matches a grudging
J’accuse mentality
and lack of backbone.

What drives the dragon?
A mocking green-eyed monster
consuming itself

by hiding behind
demented masks of falsehood
writhing in hatred.






docendo discimus
Daveski
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I believe that I have posted this before here (on these forums). But I think that it is a quite apposite response, to those undoubtedly genderless & jellylike spineless wobbling vacuous individuals, who delight in making unfounded & underhanded accusations of plagiarism towards others. It never fails to amaze me how these same people skulk or creep back into the woodwork & never face the people they don't have the courage to openly accuse. I wonder why? (possibly because in their genitally-challenged jelly-like wobbly bodies they know full well their accusations are baseless). Although, technically, hippopotamuses (or is it hippopotami?) are not actually invertebrates so the analogy is flawed somewhat. I suppose posting one of my own poems, that I posted before, makes me a plagiarist of sorts. As I am attempting to pass my own work off as my own. Still, at the end of the day, I'm not a wobbly sock puppet, & that's what really counts I think.






Hippopotamuses



Is there shame in fame;
do I mean should you wallow
like a fat hippo?

Up to your armpits
in thick glutinosity
slapping yourself on

the back like hippo's
actually don't! At least
I suppose they don't.

I don't really see
hippopotamuses at
all where I now live.

Hippopotami
you say in shocked disbelief;
and I say “Fowlers

Modern English - read
it & weep” you know-it-all!
I can pluralise.

However I can't
speak for large river-horses
& their relatives.

As far as I know
none matriculated from
my Alma Mater.

Bollocks! I hear you
say with some indignation.
You can't name any.

So it's 'Deorum
Injuriae Diiscurae'
the educated

hippopotami
or hippopotamuses
to be correct, say.

In their lovely ooze
of inspissated gloopy
dark muddy waters.





docendo discimus
Daveski
Posted: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:11:23 AM

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Old pond,
leap, splash -
a troll.




A plagiarism of Basho's famous haiku, or an homage to it? You decide. *wink*

docendo discimus
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