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percivalpecksniff
Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:29:51 AM

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Hello. I am not very technically minded and do not understand much of the info or workings of a computer. Can someone help me understand the following please. Thanks in advance.


I have just installed two memory modules of 4 GB each, into my Imac. So I have upgraded from 4 GB to 12 GB.

They are the correct memory sticks for my computer.



Has my computer fully recogised the new memory? What does the following mean?


Installed Physical Memory 12.0 GB
Total Physical Memory 2.98 GB
Available Physical Memory 1.73 GB
Total Virtual Memory 5.98 GB
Available Virtual Memory 3.91 GB
Page File Space 2.98 GB


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dag92821
Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:02:36 PM
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I'm not very fluent with Macs but it appears the system *does* recognize the additional memory but for some reason is not *utilizing* it. It may be helpful if you could provide the same information with the two new memory modules *removed*, i.e. what were the stats before the installation.

I'm also confused by the "Total Physical Memory 2.98 GB". If the new 8GB are being ignored, I would have thought the original 4 would still be seen/usable. However, this is saying only 3GB are available.

My first hunch is one of your original memory modules may be bad and thus causing problems. Without more information, I must admit this is purely speculation.

percivalpecksniff
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:13:03 AM

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Hello dag... thanks for your response. I did not remove any memory modules, I added two @ 4GB in slot 0. Slot 1 has two @ 2GB

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dingdong
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:27:36 AM

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I suggest you try something very simple before worrying unduly. Take the memory out, make sure there is no dust on either the metal contacts or the seating, then replace it.
This fixed a problem I had when a computer developed random boot errors.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:12:26 AM

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I'm not familiar with Macs. Is there any hotkey to get into BIOS setup in boot time process?
It seems your hardware sees the added memory but the software (operating system) doesn't recognise it.


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Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:15:40 AM

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percivalpecksniff
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:18:00 AM

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Hello JJ. I will find a hotkey if I can, but what then is the proceedure? I will log onto the Mac side. My Computer is divided in half with Leopard on the Imac side and Windows 7 in bootcamp. I can switch between to operating systems

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percivalpecksniff
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:26:39 AM

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Just found out no bios system on Imac instead called 'Firmware'

Have to press four keys CMD/Option.O/F in that sequence. Presumably as it boots?


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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:28:33 AM

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Like I said, I'm not familiar with the latest Mac Os's.
Back in the 90's I had to enter the setup once (and save it) to to make the MacOS recognise the added memory modules.


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percivalpecksniff
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:29:59 AM

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Thank you for help... much appreciated. I have now sorted it. It transpires that Boot Camp can only recognise up to 4GB in 32bit mode.

I have ordered a 64 bit Windows 7, premium addition, thus allowing me to access all the memory installed.


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dingdong
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:09:20 PM

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Percival,
What can you do with 12GB that you can't with 4GB?
I have lost touch with recent software and I don't use an Imac (perhaps my loss).
percivalpecksniff
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:49:24 AM

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Ding dong you are on song. I think, but stand to be corrected, that you can access more of the memory with 64 bit and graphics are improved.(Is speed improved?) I am not a computer buff.

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Posted: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:56:38 AM

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Percival, you disappoint me. I anticipated you informing us you were an avid gamer - a Commander Percival on a covert and hazardous mission behind enemy lines, perhaps to recover a stolen toaster.
percivalpecksniff
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:01:15 AM

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Ding Dong don't bang that gong. I never play computer games. For me knowledge about my computer is strictly on a need to know basis. But I think the internet is a wonderful tool and in some respects is making my personal library redundant.


I can build a house ... write a book or a poem... Milk a cow ...run a farm... give public speeches; but am lost in the technicalities of the computer world.



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dingdong
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:10:04 PM

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Percival, I shall change my name to Nip n Tuck, just for you.
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Posted: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:42:45 PM

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Hi Percival,

I am curious if there is a particular application that you need to run that makes you want to go through the bother of running Windows on a Mac? Boot Camp does make it comparatively easy, but it is also fragile, and there are major issues with drivers for the standard Mac hardware.

If Mac OS X and support for it are difficult to come by where you are, you might want to consider one of the desktop Linux distributions such as Ubuntu or Gentoo that have a lot of online support and are a lot less expensive than either Mac OS X or Windows.

By the way, I share your opinion of gaming on computers. Except as a fun way to gain familiarity with the keyboard and other control devices, it is a colossal waste of time and energy, IMHO. I suppose, though, we should be grateful that someone else is spending the time and energy to push the limits of performance.

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dingdong
Posted: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:33:32 PM

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leonAzul,
You pose a question I was also considering: i.e why run windows on a Mac. Don't most Mac users do so because it's an alternative to windows? Does anyone have another reason?

percivalpecksniff
Posted: Sunday, February 26, 2012 4:53:55 AM

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Good question Leon and Ding. I bought an iMac and lost the comfort zone that Windows gave me. After a time I a divided the hard drive and loaded boot Camp and Windows 7. It works very well and is extremely reliable I find reliable.

Now I tend to switch between the systems, but use Windows side more often.

The only reason I increased my memory to 16 GB is that I thought it may have been the reason Google Earth distorts in street view. Now I discover that Boot Camp with 32bit Windows Seven
can only utilise up to 4GB of memory. The computer acknowledges the memory is intstalled but cannot use it. A 64 bit version of W 7 can utilise much more.


As I type a 64 bit version is winging its way through the post to me.


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dingdong
Posted: Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:29:45 AM

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I guess this has cost you a small fortune. Do let us know if the 64 bit version enables access to the memory. You can also admit to playing games; Civilization is highly recommended for mental exercise. I've spent many a happy hour hell bent on world domination.
leonAzul
Posted: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:54:19 PM

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Sorry to hear that Mac OS didn't work for you. I'm glad to hear that Boot Camp is working out well. Early on there was some trouble with stability, but they seem to have that sorted now.

In another thread here, Acooperator reported some issues with the 64 bit version of Internet Explorer. Several others and I did some research and found that this is a common complaint. Although I didn't post it in-thread, I came across some performance benchmarks that show IE64 anywhere from half-again to three-times slower than IE32. Apparently Microsoft hasn't optimized it yet. :-( You might want to take a look at that thread in case you have a similar experience and want to use the 32 bit version.

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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:34:06 PM

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I'm used to have dual boot (Windows and Linux) in my PC's. Never tried a Mac with Windows.
Just thought the same, why have a Mac to run Windows?
And the latest Macs and MAcOS's should be able to recognise at least the 16 GB, even more. A need for an update?


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percivalpecksniff
Posted: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:29:55 PM

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I have now installed windows 7 64 bit. This is now my memory situation.


Installed Physical Memory 12.0 GB
Total Physical Memory 12 GB
Available Physical Memory 10.7 GB
Total Virtual Memory 23.9 GB
Available Virtual Memory 21.7 GB
Page File Space 12 GB


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percivalpecksniff
Posted: Friday, March 02, 2012 5:22:26 AM

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My computer is now so fast. I am happy I have loaded the 64 bit version of windows 7.

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percivalpecksniff
Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:59:38 AM

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Yes I wondered that ggicollegepunjab... but that is what comes up when I access System Information.I am by no means an expert. My computer seems to be working very well.

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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:56:55 AM

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ggicollegepunjab wrote:
Firstly clarify that difference between Physical Memory and Primary Memory. I think its both should be same.
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Where do you see a difference? pps claims to have added 2 X 4 GB to the existing 2 X 2 GB for a total of 12 GB (he made a typo at one point and wrote 16), and that is what is reported. With such a large swap file, one needs to take care that the hard disk has enough free space to avoid fragmentation — roughly three to four times the amount of installed RAM is a good rule of thumb for Windows. In this case, one would want to make sure that there is never less than 64 GB of free space on the boot drive.



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percivalpecksniff
Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:20:16 PM

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My hard disk is a terabyte... partitioned equally. 12g of memory not 16. Explorer is working well... thus far.

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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:11:22 PM

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Where do you see ggicollegepunjab?
Whistle


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percivalpecksniff
Posted: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:05:47 AM

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He deleted his post JJ... or it was deleted for him because it was spam. I am not sure.

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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
Where do you see ggicollegepunjab?
Whistle


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