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Grammar Lablling "hang on" Options
jamesmartin23
Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012 12:26:15 PM
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Trying to analyse the words "hang on" in a grammar text - all help greatly appreciated! It's in the context of hang on, we're not talking about that..... and I understand that 'hang' must be a verb but how can I label both words? 'On' is normally a preopositional right?

All help and suggestions greatly appreciated

James
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:03:11 PM
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Hi James,

This is a verb phrase consisting of a verb and a preposition. It has several common meanings which are distinct from the use of "hang" meaning to suspend + the preposition "on".

"Hang" + "on" can be used thusly: I will hang the picture on the wall opposite the entry door. Note the object of "hang" separates the verb from the prepositional phrase "on the wall".

"Hang on" has several meanings, most commonly,
"Hold on to": Hang on to the rope and we will pull you up.

"Wait" (a short time): Hang on; your turn is next. Or, Hang on; I don't think that is correct. In this case, you are asking the person to wait while you recall whatever is correct.

"Continue/persevere": Hang on; the finish line is only a half-mile from here.
"Continue/be tedious: A sinus infection will just hang on for weeks.
Personally, I think the last two are the same thing, with context giving the implication of perseverance or tedium.
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:06:00 PM
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Thanks! All seems a lot clearer now!
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@ RuthP

"thusly" ??? - Have I to write to Oxford I have found a word they haven't in their dictionary?
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012 2:16:31 PM
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rogermue wrote:
@ RuthP

"thusly" ??? - Have I to write Oxford I have found a word they haven't in the dictionary?


The OED is clearly just too modern! Dancing Dancing - "Thusly" is a good Biblical (Christian Bible) word.

It has the same meaning a "thus" (as far as I know). Sometimes, it just flows better.
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012 3:50:46 PM

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jamesmartin - Hi!

An old British phrase (may also be American) is "'old your 'orses" - hold on to your horses, meaning "wait", became at some point "hold on".

I don't know if this became "hang on" or they grew up together, but as Ruth says, the whole phrase is a verb with its own meaning.

On 'thusly', Merriam Webster (online version) says:

thusly
adv : in the way indicated; "hold the brush so"; "set up the pieces thus"; (`thusly' is a nonstandard variant) [syn: thus, so]


Maybe King James didn't speak correct English. Whistle

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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:44:59 PM

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I must say I'm fascinated by "thusly" !!

As RuthP already said, the word has much more drive and swing than a simple one-syllable 'thus'.
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:09:10 PM

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"Thusly" is a lovely word.

There are not many people who would use it in every-day speech, but it is well-used in more formal writing, and as Ruth says, makes the sentence flow better.

I admire anyone who uses it.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:47:34 AM

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"thusly" doesn't go out of my mind. Briton has already answered one of my questions.
"thusly" seems to be understood and used both in AmE and BrE. And as Briton said it is more used in written language.
I wondered about the "values" of the word. Is there a humorous note to it - or has it some archaic value? In any case I found it such a funny word formation - the word jumped into my mind as if it were my most cherished pet.

What I find curious is that none of the big dictionaries has this word. I think even if a word is not considered as standard, such words should be booked.

Sometimes I am speechless about the way language/speakers express ideas - "ones" (as a prop word as in 'the good ones and the bad ones in the film') is such a thing. For a mathematican hard to understand that 'one' can have a plural -s.
But for language it's a natural and "logical", simply because it's practical.

English has dropped most endings - so English adjectives can't express singular or plural of adjectives any longer.
German can say: die Gute (speaking of a woman) or die Guten (speaking of people). But English has mastered this difficulty but inventing 'one' or 'ones' after an adjective.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:59:35 AM

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Oh, I was wrong. My smaller Oxford dictionary (concise edition) hasn't "thusly".
But now I have given a dust to my bigger Oxford dic. (ODE) and there it is.

Quote: thusly, adverb, informal - another term for 'thus' (qv sense 2) - The review was conducted thusly. Unquote.

Another dic. - Encarta World English Dictionary - has "thusly" too. With the information: US (humorous).
Romany
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I didn't want to want to spoil the fun of Ruth's statement that "thusly" had Biblical roots and was a legitimate word because it didn't seem to matter - Roger was just tickled pink with it anyway. The fact that Ruth was having a little joke was neither here nor there.

But now that Roger has done a little research and realised it is an informal/humourus word perhaps one should explain?

Sorry, Roger, but "Thusly" is a word in the tradition of the satiric words coined to poke fun at certain people's ways of speaking...just as the phrase 'casting nasturtiums' is used instead of 'casting aspersions'. I don't think it goes back any further than the second half of the 19th century but perhaps someone else knows exactly when it was first used?

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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:53:55 AM

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I knew at once that thusly was a funny word formation as the old case form thus means already 'in this way' and to add a -ly is as superfluous as a second tail for a cat.
But you gave precious information, Romany, thank you.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:44:12 AM
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Roger -

I think you would have enjoyed meeting my parents. Between the two of them they had an almost encyclopaedic knowledge of words/dialects/pidgins and word history etymologies and usages. Perhaps growing up with them was what influenced me to become a writer. But conversations in our house were always interesting and humorous and my father was an absolute wizard at constructing entire monologues, in appropriate dialects, from words/phrases such as those above, along with malapropisms and common mispronunciations.

I miss them so much. Along with all the laughter.

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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:37:33 PM

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A rare and wonderful talent - that talent of your parents'. I can imagine that you had a lot of fun with them.
- Yes, you can say it aloud, I was tickled pink with 'thusly'. And I like it still. Used at the right moment it can be a real gag.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:59:02 PM

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'old on! Speak to the hand

I just realised what we are missing in this thread.

Where is our other German friend
(the crout) IMcRout? I haven't heard anything from him in ages - he is an aficianado of word play and strange usages - thusly, he would be interested in this. Whistle

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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:22:49 PM

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DragO, IMcRout posted a topic "Four Words" in the Literature forum on 17th February. Well worth a read.
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Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:50:12 PM

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Ah, thank you, that explains everything.



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Romany
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:55:56 PM
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Yes, Dragon, I've missed him a lot too. The word I always use to describe his sense of humour is 'Puckish' - it's a very rare quality isn't it? There've been lots of threads since his unfortunate sabbatical that I have thought to myself really cry out for one of his comments. Fingers crossed that he comes back to us soon, eh?
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