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For some time now, the government has been intruding on our eating habits, and pressing against our rights to eat certain foods. Restaurants are being told to close because their menus have unhealthy food, others are being forced to change the ingredients of the foods they serve. And now in some states, school lunches are being searched to see if they contain foods that are unacceptable to the government. If they do, these kids can't eat the meals prepared by their parents.
Have we gone too far? Do you have the right to eat that delicious fat dripping hamburger if you want to? Some would argue that it's not the food that should be blamed for making us fat but the relative inactivity of the people who are eating it.
Thoughts?
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You, Maggie, have brought up a very disturbing trend. It does seem that more and more the government wants to be involved in parts of our lives that most of us would prefer they didn't.
And this topic is raised in the most appropriate forum: politics. Then 'food police' you refer to is just one more way that the government has found to insinuate itself in our lives.
Yes, we can choose what and how to eat whatever we want. I ate both brown bag and school lunches and suffered no ill effects. The stigma that is attached to the child that has his/her brown bag taken away just might cause greater harm to the child than what ever was lurking in that home prepared brown bag.
I wonder if we spent less time and energy worrying about things like this and more time and energy directed toward helping these kids progress in school and come out able to read, write, and think for themselves, wouldn't that be in the best interest of everyone concerned?
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Intolerable! If this policing goes on for long, the designers, who otherwise would have to come up with wider and wider seats, will not find employment. The same goes for the architects who would in un-food-policed times unveil buildings with wider corridors and doorways. And the wreckers, of course, of the old-fashioned building with narrow door- and hallways.
On the other hand, it always has been wise and advantageous to issue rules and regulations for the human masses by some authority.
Brain-washing starts in the cradle. - Arthur Koestler
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GeorgeV wrote:On the other hand, it always has been wise and advantageous to issue rules and regulations for the human masses by some authority. Like the prohibition of alcohol in USA in 1920? Have anyone counted the casualties?
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
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I think that as adults, we have the right to decide what to eat. I think that as adults, we do not have the right to kill our kids with the junk food that so many of us put in their school lunch bags these days.
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another example of the direction the usa is taking. a 'nanny nation' that looks for the government to take care of every thing.
what ever happened to 'monkey bars' in play grounds? see saws? too dangerous? how did the usa ever foster the term "america's greatest generation"?.
it's a slippery slope that we (the usa) are taking with the work ethic rapidly disappearing and things like 'ows' becoming the standard.
new hampshire's motto, "live free or die" is really being tested.
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Carbonated drinks, lollies, cakes etc have been removed from school canteens for many years.
Sugar is something that can be so easily removed from our diets, but can be disguised in foods unless you are a label reader.
There has been a generation of parents who cannot cook, therefore unprocessed foods were not put on the table.
The good news is the popularity of cooking shows on TV, those young families that didn't have imaginative food cooked for them have become
foodies themselves.
Some of us older generations have always enjoyed our kitchens.
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Yes, we do have a right to eat whatever we want. However, warnings should be communicated to the public as to what is unhealthy because many progressive minded health practitioners and scientists know of the dangers inherent in our eating habits.
1. Corporations who produce processed food have no interest in safeguarding the eating public. These folks are beholden only to their shareholders. These folks will sweeten to the max, salt to the max, and fry in unhealthy oils to the max without any sting of guilt because profits, not the health of the public, rule. Just like the tobacco companies who sat on scientitfic evidence for decades that proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that cigarettes cause lung cancer, these corporations know the dangers of their products but will not admit their products are dangerous. 2. In addition to obesity, heart disease, diabetes, and other cardio-vascular conditions ruin the lives of consumers and their families who have to care for them when they become ill. When once healthy foreigners adopt the American diet they become ill with the same illnesses we have. 3. Genetically modified grains, promoted by food manufacturers, are now part of the food chain, and who knows what conditions will result a decade or 2 down the road.
So, if you object to the food police, that is your right, but consider what your quality of life will be when the Candy Stipers try to cheer you up in your hospitable bed with your amputated limbs, dialysis hookups, and all kinds of tubes shoved into the various orifices of your body.
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People should know better.
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I'll agree with you about staying out of other people's refrigerator if and only if you'll agree:
1. That 18 is old enough to vote, old enough to be drafted, so why can't the sorry draftee have a draft. Of ale, that is?
2. That if the government stays out of your food, you stay out of other people's bedrooms: gay marriage is OK, it' their business. Contraceptives are OK, it's their business, abortion is legal, and it's their business.
3. Worrying about who a President boffs is his business. Not ours. If his wife chooses to divorce him or lop his pee pee off. that is their business.
In short. if you want to have your dining preferences left alone, you need to back off on the other choices that people routinely make.
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Unfortunately the fast food chains seem to be putting out cheaper and cheaper foods,
so lazy mothers find it easier to drive through a 'drive through' than going home and pealing vegetables.
Spot on HWNN, but I do cringe seeing very young children/babies given cheese burgers, they are not a good introduction to solids.
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Where I live (Philippines) there is a food-chain called Jolibee. It is like a ultra-budget version of McDonalds. It serves nasty stuff aimed at children (garish colours, small tables / chairs, young employees etc). Sadly, it is often full, especially at weekends. Of course, children love to go there, and parents give way.
I agree with Briton. Parents need to act responsibly.
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:GeorgeV wrote:On the other hand, it always has been wise and advantageous to issue rules and regulations for the human masses by some authority. Like the prohibition of alcohol in USA in 1920?Have anyone counted the casualties? What an insight! I don't recall anyone having brought up the relation to "Prohibition". The adoption of Prohibition was instrumental in opening up new entrepreneurships: smuggling, boot-legging, and speak-easies. What a flop. I suspect more people were killed, and were killed more violently in those activities, than were killed violently by alcohol in the years before Prohibition. Now imagine a new Prohibition, without the sanction of a constitutional amendment, but backed by the raw, extra-constitutional power of a power-wielding Executive or a Nanny-Congress. To paraphrase e.e. cummings, "There is some food I will eat!" Try and stop me, meddling politicians. I will welcome smugglers bringing me potatoes from Ireland and hamburgers from Argentina, and Tacos from Mexico and ice-cream from Italy, and whale blubber from Canada. I will gladly visit the Texas Roadhouse Eat-easy, the Underground MacDonalds, and Joe's Bar and Grill operated in his basement. Knowing that the revenuers aren't getting any taxes from all this, besides bringing down the cost of my greasy, trans-fat meal, will bring me added joy. I may just walk out of Joe's without wiping the grease off my face. Just to spite the hundred thousand new tax collectors who can't figure out what to tax next. Will the do-good Food Prohibition result in gangland gun-battles and perhaps a St. Valentine's Day Massacre -- this time on Thanksgiving? I wouldn't be suprised. There are people who kill for food already. I wish our government would apply their keen, fat-phobic minds to feeding the millions who die of starvation each year, and let those whose diets do not meet Congress' standards of perfection, just go along eating whatever. The attention paid to transfats and hamburgers, by double-dipping Congressmen whose life-long retirement pensions are more than I can ever hope to make while working, is criminally disproportionate to the importance of that issue.
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For obvious reasons the first to go were the fatties. If you want your children run down and eaten by marauding packs of post-apocalyptic zombies keep doing what you're doing, parents of North America.
Didn't Congress recently decide that pizza was a vegetable ?
God forbid they change their ( I use the word with every disclaimer ever penned ) minds. Food Police ? C'mon, Maggie. Your nation is apparently incapable of making good food choices for your children independently ( tho' pretty good at teaching them to strip down and reload a Glock in thirty seconds ) so someone has to take charge.
Sanity is not statistical
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And there you have it folks! We are just too stupid to know how to feed our children properly, but we're damn good at teaching them how to strip and load their glocks.
We need a dictator; someone who will take charge of us, and tell us how to properly provide for our kids and live our lives. Oh, wait, we have that now.
Never mind.
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Glad I pissed someone off - here's David with a song for the times : Big Brother - David Bowie Sanity is not statistical
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Eating is fighting. Professionals
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FounDit wrote:
We need a dictator; someone who will take charge of us, and tell us how to properly provide for our kids and live our lives. Oh, wait, we have that now.
Never mind.
If you have a dictator, you have to be obedient, else you get beaten up, tortured, imprisoned etc.
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If you have a dictator, you have to be obedient, else you get beaten up, tortured, imprisoned etc. [/quote] Those are NOT the only options.
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Truthseeker wrote: Those are NOT the only options.
Quite right; you might also get shot.
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dingdong wrote:FounDit wrote: We need a dictator; someone who will take charge of us, and tell us how to properly provide for our kids and live our lives. Oh, wait, we have that now. Never mind.
If you have a dictator, you have to be obedient, else you get beaten up, tortured, imprisoned etc. Or kill yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Jn0yH6i-9ys
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count me out, sounds very dreary, and I bet they dont even have a liquor lisence!
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Tovarish wrote:count me out, sounds very dreary, and I bet they dont even have a liquor lisence! Who is "they"?
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dingdong wrote:Truthseeker wrote: Those are NOT the only options.
Quite right; you might also get shot. Think 1776. Think 1789. Think.
Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy
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I'm not pissed. Just stating the facts as I see them, and as they are reported on all the news stations and press.
Tobacco--bad Salt--bad Fat--bad Transfat--bad Guns-bad Religion-bad Profit-bad Oil-bad America-bad
But Obama is in the process of fundamentally changing the United States. So before long, we'll all be drinking that free bubble-lub and and eating that rainbow stew. A great many people will think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. ~ William James ~
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We mostly go on about our rights, but forget that we have duties as well. If we ignore our duties we will lose our rights. We have a duty to set boundaries for our children so that they grow up as healthy as possible. This includes their diet and we should teach them by example. I am a fat slob, so I am not preaching here.
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So far as my own experience goes, I’ve noted no limitations to people eating as many grease burgers as they choose, when they choose. It’s been pointed out above that there should be warning labels on some of the worst foods. I’d have no problem with that. It doesn’t stop you from eating to your heart’s discontent! But:
Specifically to food choices for school kids: I have no problem with their choices being limited by adults….they are kids after all. They don’t vote, they don’t drive, and if left to their own devices they’d drink soda pop all day long, and their version of the food pyramid would have such entries as twizzlers, gum, ice cream and potato chips. If anything nutritious passed their lips, it would be entirely accidental.
I’m reminded of the old Bill Cosby skit where dad is in charge of feeding the kids breakfast, and he reasons that since milk and flour and eggs are in chocolate cake, he can safely feed his brood cake for breakfast…..until his wife finds out, anyway. So, if a teacher notes that little Johnny's lunch bag always has chocolate cake and nothing else, I have no problem with that teacher taking action!
So, I don’t feel the noose tightening, I don’t fear the jackbooted thugs that aim to deny children easy access to Coca Cola for lunch at school.
My post was meant to make a larger point:
It’s been my observation that extreme conservatives and extreme liberals both want to limit freedom. They sometimes even overlap on some issues. The principle is the same as their approach to taxes and deficits. An extreme liberal will deficit spend on social programs. An arch conservative will spend ruinously on the defense budget. The end is the same: red ink.
It is hilarious in the extreme that conservatives seem perfectly comfortable with the legal snooping into computer records, library records, routine wire tapping of telephones, full body screens at the airport, having to take ones loafers off before boarding a plane. I know the knee-jerk response: “9-11, these invasions and intrusions keep us safe”. To which I reply that he who would surrender his freedoms for security will have neither!
But, apparently food restrictions on minors is where they draw the line! This is absolutely precious. You can’t make this stuff up!
On the liberal side, the most obvious example is the over-reach that has become politically correct speech in the USA.
Either way: The Patriot Act, the Thought Police, your freedoms are eroded.
Why no hue-and-cry against the roadblocks that cops set up randomly to screen for drunk drivers….what happened to probable cause, and illegal searches?
Anyway…I didn’t mean to go off on a rant….but, the bottom line is that there are so many more and juicier targets to complain about than adults having some control over what kids eat.
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HWNN1961 wrote:
Anyway…I didn’t mean to go off on a rant….but, the bottom line is that there are so many more and juicier targets to complain about than adults having some control over what kids eat.
The issue isn't whether ADULTS have some control over what kids eat. It's whether the GOVERNMENT should have control over what everyone eats.
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Not in my fridge, no day, no way!
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Truthseeker wrote:HWNN1961 wrote:
Anyway…I didn’t mean to go off on a rant….but, the bottom line is that there are so many more and juicier targets to complain about than adults having some control over what kids eat.
The issue isn't whether ADULTS have some control over what kids eat. It's whether the GOVERNMENT should have control over what everyone eats. Read the first paragraph of my post. It's my experience that I've no trouble, as an adult, getting whatever kind of food I want. To the extent that there are controls, they are in schools, and the government, in the form of teachers, administrators, and food service workers are exactly the people that I trust with the welfare of school children. Not the lobbyists for McDonalds, Pepsico, Pizza Hut and so on that want to make a freedom issue out of their desire to shovel more fast food and junk into our already obese kids.
"Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless, and do no wrong". (Knight's Oath, Kingdom of Heaven)
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Truthseeker wrote:dingdong wrote:Truthseeker wrote: Those are NOT the only options.
Quite right; you might also get shot. Think 1776. Think 1789. Think. 1776: The English landscape painter John Constable was born. He became a very influential figure in art. 1789: Fletcher Christian led the mutiny on HMS Bounty against Captain Bligh. Think: Okay, done it.
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dingdong wrote:Truthseeker wrote:dingdong wrote:Truthseeker wrote: Those are NOT the only options.
Quite right; you might also get shot. Think 1776. Think 1789. Think. 1776: The English landscape painter John Constable was born. He became a very influential figure in art. 1789: Fletcher Christian led the mutiny on HMS Bounty against Captain Bligh. Think: Okay, done it. 17761789
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To get back to food: I have heard that Australia is now the number one 'fattie' nation. Too many barbies, I'll bet. What is the Australian government doing?
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Maggie wrote:For some time now, the government has been intruding on our eating habits, and pressing against our rights to eat certain foods. Restaurants are being told to close because their menus have unhealthy food, others are being forced to change the ingredients of the foods they serve. It's difficult to comment without more details. I couldn't find (after a quick search) any information on the full circumstances behind restaurants being closed for having unhealthy food on the menu... in fact I couldn't find any instance reported; do you have any links? Citizens expect their governments to protect them against risk; most potential food risks never reach the consumer due to existing government controls, this is surely a good thing. Sometimes new evidence or changes in consumption practices means some foods need to be re-evaluated. Sometimes a certain food may conflict with other established laws such as environmental protection or animal welfare. Maggie wrote:And now in some states, school lunches are being searched to see if they contain foods that are unacceptable to the government. If they do, these kids can't eat the meals prepared by their parents. I don't know how the system works in the USA; is it the government that is instigating searches or school boards (school governors in the UK), again I couldn't find any details, do you have any links? In the UK school governors decide on certain rules (within the law) to manage their school ethos. For example: uniform policy, class structure, anti-bullying etc. Healthy eating might fall into that ethos, as is the case in many UK schools as it reflects the democratic will – I've never heard of a school searching lunches though. Government (social) protection from risk is arguably more applicable to the less enfranchised. Parents are not always well informed and don't always make the best choices for their children. Maggie wrote:Have we gone too far? Do you have the right to eat that delicious fat dripping hamburger if you want to? As far as I know everyone does have that right, and like most things that right has conditions attached. Maggie wrote:Some would argue that it's not the food that should be blamed for making us fat but the relative inactivity of the people who are eating it. Personally I'd be more concerned about a government programme to enforce exercise, especially without first addressing general health issues such as healthy eating. Forcing fatties to run to McDonalds is a sure way to add to the problems of our already overstretched cardiac wards. Yakcal wrote:...just one more way that the government has found to insinuate itself in our lives. I'd have thought that, being your elected representatives, the correlation is the other way around... or at least should be. Arguing with a creationist is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and fly back to it's flock to claim victory.
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will wrote:
Forcing fatties to run to McDonalds is a sure way to add to the problems of our already overstretched cardiac wards.
Will, that is such an amusing idea. I can just picture it.  Send it to McD and see what they say.
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