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3unorchid
Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:37:57 PM
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As Jeremy Lin, or Lin Shuhao, the Chinese-American, is making an overnight sensation recently, what do you regard him as, a Chinese? or an American? Perhaps I might seem too narrow-minded for asking such question. Anyway, we all like him and want him to be our own. I can't help being proud of him when the world stand up and applaud him which reminds me of our Bruce Lee, or Li Xiaolong.

Or, I'd like to hear what Lin think of himself, if I can?
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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:05:05 AM

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He is the latest in a tradition:

Englishmen that established the Virgina Colony, Plymouth, then others,

Africans brought against their will, but now much more than they were intended by their masters,

People of Chinese ancestry that came to the West Coast and labored in the mines and on the railroads,

Natives that were nearly eliminated by bigotry and pride, and yet endured and now take their rightful place,

No one forgets where they came from. All embrace what they are now.



Jeremy Lin is an American. That's the strength of this nation.

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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:31:33 AM
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Before Bruce Lee made a fame, his mother in law did not like, or other looked down up him, because of the colour of his skin, though I'm not sure whether she kept to hold such opnion after that.

Whereever you think of Lin belongs to, I'm gratified that yellow skin is being approved in a foreign land. They are embraced in spite of the colour of their skin. That was not the case years ago, though I'm not sure since when this began to change, wasn't it.
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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:35:45 AM

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3unorchid wrote:
Before Bruce Lee made a fame, his mother in law did not like, or other looked down up him, because of the colour of his skin, though I'm not sure whether she kept to hold such opnion after that.

Whereever you think of Lin belongs to, I'm gratified that yellow skin is being approved in a foreign land. They are embraced in spite of the colour of their skin. That was not the case years ago, though I'm not sure since when this began to change, wasn't it.
















Which is similar to your skin?
Sheer Nonsense. Period.


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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:14:19 AM

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In one report he was referred to as Taiwanese-American. And it was mentioned that the Taiwanese prefer not to think of themselves as a province of China, but rather as a separate country.
The hyphenated designations are also prevalent in Canada.

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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:51:51 AM

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Jeremy Lin is a US Citizen From LA graduate of the Palo Alto Schools and Harvard on one of only four Harvard player to ever get to the NBA. So Jeremy Lin is a Chinese American whose parent emigrated fro Taiwan.
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As someone who considers basketball to be one big yawn, could I (and maybe others too) please be enlightened about Mr. Lin. What has he done?
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Posted: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:35:54 PM

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林書豪 (thanks to Wikipedia) definitely has Chinese roots and those who like basketball probably love to see him playing this sport just like the Irish are proud that Barack Obama has, John F. Kennedy had drops of Irish blood running through their veins. Roosevelt and Van Buren Dutch and so forth. The real 100% native Americans from before the Italian Columbus still exist? Basically all 50 United States are melting pots, aren't they?

Give a man a fish you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime - Chinese proverb
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2012 4:09:42 PM

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Now what?

ESPN reporter dismissed for offending Lin. No words...

Give a man a fish you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime - Chinese proverb
3unorchid
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ClubFavolosa wrote:
林書豪 (thanks to Wikipedia) definitely has Chinese roots and those who like basketball probably love to see him playing this sport just like the Irish are proud that Barack Obama has, John F. Kennedy had drops of Irish blood running through their veins. Roosevelt and Van Buren Dutch and so forth. The real 100% native Americans from before the Italian Columbus still exist? Basically all 50 United States are melting pots, aren't they?


ClubFavolosa
I think you've hit the point. American is what it is now because it is a melting pot. It is inclusive, which is key to development, in my opinion.
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012 12:36:01 AM

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I think the world has gone mad.
Thanks, ClubFavolosa, at least I now know what Lin does. 3unorchid - can you say why Lin is so special?

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http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-linsanity-linflation-knicks-alfarone-story,0,4851417.story

Lin-Sanity Leads To "Lin-Flation" Of Knicks Ticket Prices As Knicks Beat Mavericks

NEW YORK (PIX11)—
Lin-Sanity took over Madison Square Garden Sunday, as the Knicks faced the team many say was their toughest opponent yet, the Dallas Mavericks -- and won. The Knicks topped the Mavericks 104-97, and ended the Mavericks 6-game winning streak.

The Garden was sold out. The crowd was pumped up. Former bench-warmer-turned-Knicks-powerhouse-playmaker Jeremy Lin scored 28 points and had a career-high 14 assists. Lin-Sanity Lin-spired Bronx-born rapper Drew Boogie to write rap lyrics about the Harvard-educated point maker, set to the band Cypress Hill's song, "Insane in the Membrane."




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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012 8:43:00 AM

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Ha, I've just seen him on the sports news. Now, this is truly insane. He trots up to a basket and puts a ball in it. Everyone goes wild (sorry - lin-sane)?????????????????
1.4 billion people think he's the bees knees. Over 2 billion, if you include the Americans. That's over a third of the world's population. And all he does is drop a ball in a net! F******G great. Wonderboy.

Also on the news is a Bangladeshi rickshaw driver who has saved a few dollars every day during his working life. He is now 60. You know what he has done? He has opened a little hospital for the poor with his life savings. This man is a hero.

Chinese people - get your priorities right.

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A blog titled 'Jeremy Lin, a Chinese or an American' maked me realize that my attempt to tag Lin as a Chinese is actually a kind of psychology trying to profit from association with a big shot. Whatever Lin dose, he is himself. He can inspire. But the honor he has earned through his hardship is his own and no one is to take it by claiming as being close to him. He can inspire anyone from any country. It is not important where he comes from and which country he belongs to. That is the spirit of sports-no border. Let's share the beauty of the moment of every shot.
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I have just seen him being interviewed. He is a nobody (sorry, fans); his hobbies are eating junk food and playing computer games. What can anyone learn from this? Is he inspiring?
Be inspired by the rickshaw driver from Bangladesh (see my recent post) - That would make the world a better place.
Okay, I'm stepping down from my soap-box now.
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I like sports and the players but I don't love it/them. I can appreciate the talent and skill it takes to be really good at any particular sport. Having said that I do believe that there is an awful lot about how sports and the men and women that play them is totally out of whack.

Paying anyone the sums of money that professional athletes are paid to play a game, any game, is way beyond reason. But reason has very little place in sports today.

I know that the teams are all important to their respective city, state, region, and the people within the city, state, region share with the team the victories that they produce.

I wish that teachers of our children could earn 1/10 of the salary of a major sports athlete.

Major sports are here to stay, but I still enjoy watching non-professional sport where the players are playing because they love to play; not because they're paid enormous sums of money to do so.

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dingdong wrote:
I have just seen him being interviewed. He is a nobody (sorry, fans); his hobbies are eating junk food and playing computer games. What can anyone learn from this? Is he inspiring?
Be inspired by the rickshaw driver from Bangladesh (see my recent post) - That would make the world a better place.
Okay, I'm stepping down from my soap-box now.



I don't think that what Jeremy Lin eats or whether he plays computer games has anything to do with it. He's an athlete. For some reason, we as a society often feel that athletes MUST be a roll model, which isn't true. Roll models are not confined to any ethnic, gender, or professional group. We should choose our roll models carefully for what they are, not what they do for a living. However, with that as a backdrop, Lin is, in many ways, an excellent roll model because he's a hard worker, raised himself up through the ranks, is modest and unassuming, and gives a lot of credit to others rather than himself.

As to the primary question in this thread, I've never been a proponent of identifying a U.S. citizen as a part of another ethnic/nationalistic group. Though I fully support one's pride for his/her heritage, I feel that I first and foremost, am an American. After that, I have an English/Irish Heritage, just as Lin has a Chinese (Taiwan?) heritage that he should be proud of. But if you say you're a citizen of the United States (or any country, for that matter), that should be the most emphatic characterization. We're all in this boat together, going ...... somewhere. Hopefully it will dock in a place that offers hope and opportunity for all.

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Bugdoctor,

I am glad you gave a reason for using the bold font.

As the OP gave us a heading that is quite narrow, I think it is acceptable to broaden the discussion.

I spent time in China teaching English. As part of the school's English course, set homework was given. Now, once the students had achieved a reasonable standard they were given subjects to research. One such topic was 'important Westerners'; they had to research and present an account of an important person's life and work.
So, who did they choose? Can you guess? Probably.
First was Michael Jackson. Then came various basketball players whose names escape me. Behind that came Obama. Very few students chose figures that had actually contributed to mankind's development (girls were more likely to do this).
When I asked why they had chosen the characters they had the reasons were 'money' and 'fame'. No doubt, the students are now presenting Lin.

So, Lin is ordinary; I only saw a brief, and rather unflattering interview. But the worrying point is that anything other than his celebrity status is irrelevant to the Chinese. He could be a serial rapist in his free time; it wouldn't matter. When I pointed out negative aspects of students' choices, they either said nothing or shrugged. So what? Never mind the person, never mind the value of his / her work, just feel the banknotes.

I hope this helps to explain my cynicism.


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dingdong wrote:
I only saw a brief, and rather unflattering interview. But the worrying point is that anything other than his celebrity status is irrelevant to the Chinese. He could be a serial rapist in his free time; it wouldn't matter. When I pointed out negative aspects of students' choices, they either said nothing or shrugged. So what? Never mind the person, never mind the value of his / her work, just feel the banknotes.

I hope this helps to explain my cynicism.



Hello Dingdong.
Actually, your post does not help to explain your cynicism. You said that Lin was a nobody who eats junk food and plays computer games. I presume this all came from the ONE interview you made reference to. I think we'd both be surprised at the successful people who enjoy both those 'vices'. The fact that young people in China jump at the opportunity to worship the rich and famous does not explain why you would criticize Mr. Lin without more evidence. But that is your right. Perhaps his commitment to his dream, his success through hard work, and his humility are not important virtues for you. Or perhaps they are not important enough to separate him from your perception of the common herd.

My post was not a criticism of you personally, but was, instead, a tentative endorsement of a young man who seems to have found success through personal sacrifice and commitment - something that should be motivating to us all.


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The original post concerning Lin Shuhao asks : ‘Do you regard him as Chinese or an American?’

One wonders what is behind the query.

A straight answer is that he is, by birth and citizenship, American. Genetically he is Chinese. Ethnically he is Taiwanese Chinese.

Is this a question of wanting to claim some reflected worth?

Would the Chinese be so keen to claim him as their own if he were a gangster? Are all the

Chinese American gangsters, Chinese or American?

Nationalism is a part and parcel of our world, as we know, and that will not, change will it. At best nationalism is ugly, and appeals to the lowest common denominator. Loving ones homeland is not the same as nationalism is it.

I agree with bugdoctor when he comments that Lin has done well.

That success is not a credit to America or to Taiwan; it is a credit to him as a fellow human. The same princple applies to a Chinese American gangster. The fault or otherwise, lies with the individual; not the state.


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bugdoctor wrote:

Hello Dingdong.
Actually, your post does not help to explain your cynicism. You said that Lin was a nobody who eats junk food and plays computer games. I presume this all came from the ONE interview you made reference to. I think we'd both be surprised at the successful people who enjoy both those 'vices'. The fact that young people in China jump at the opportunity to worship the rich and famous does not explain why you would criticize Mr. Lin without more evidence. But that is your right. Perhaps his commitment to his dream, his success through hard work, and his humility are not important virtues for you. Or perhaps they are not important enough to separate him from your perception of the common herd.

My post was not a criticism of you personally, but was, instead, a tentative endorsement of a young man who seems to have found success through personal sacrifice and commitment - something that should be motivating to us all.


I should have made a better job of explaining my thinking about the relative merits of Lin and my heroic rickshaw driver. The fact that you, Bugdoctor, seem only to focus on my perceptions of Lin, show me I have failed.
If I have offended anyone with my opinions, then it is too bad, but it was not my intention to insult Lin, but to show that he is a normal human being who has done nothing special. He is thus unworthy of mass adoration.

The rickshaw driver who built a hospital with his meagre life savings touched me more than I can say. Here is a humble man who valued hard work, and showed his commitment to help fellow human beings in distress. To suggest I don't value these qualities, Bugdoctor, is insane. It is a shame you didn't read all my posts before drawing your conclusions.

Well, I don't know about Lin's sacrifice. You insist he is a paragon; that is your right, Bugdoctor. I would be more inclined to believe in his 'goodness' if he donated - 'sacrificed' - some of his wealth to good causes. That would make him a better role model, in my opinion.

I would like to commend Aljazeera. They gave the same air time to the rickshaw driver as Lin. In fact, one news report followed the other, nicely contrasting the relative 'sacrifices' of the subjects.


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dingdong wrote:
bugdoctor wrote:

Hello Dingdong.
Actually, your post does not help to explain your cynicism. You said that Lin was a nobody who eats junk food and plays computer games. I presume this all came from the ONE interview you made reference to. I think we'd both be surprised at the successful people who enjoy both those 'vices'. The fact that young people in China jump at the opportunity to worship the rich and famous does not explain why you would criticize Mr. Lin without more evidence. But that is your right. Perhaps his commitment to his dream, his success through hard work, and his humility are not important virtues for you. Or perhaps they are not important enough to separate him from your perception of the common herd.

My post was not a criticism of you personally, but was, instead, a tentative endorsement of a young man who seems to have found success through personal sacrifice and commitment - something that should be motivating to us all.





I should have made a better job of explaining my thinking about the relative merits of Lin and my heroic rickshaw driver. The fact that you, Bugdoctor, seem only to focus on my perceptions of Lin, show me I have failed.

I focus on that because it is the primary issue in this thread.

If I have offended anyone with my opinions, then it is too bad, but it was not my intention to insult Lin, but to show that he is a normal human being who has done nothing special. He is thus unworthy of mass adoration.

Choosing our ‘heros’ and those we elevate to ‘star’ status is an individual choice. We each have our reasons for giving additional respect or high regard. In your value system, he is unworthy of mass adoration. I respect your right to feel that way. If is, after all, something based on individual opinion. Your statement, however, was in the absolute: “He is thus unworthy of mass adoration.” - According to you. You said he has done nothing special. By what measure? After all, the issue here is that he is a BASKETBALL player with Chinese heritage who, through hard work and dedication, has done noteworthy things in his profession, AND he's been modest and unassuming about it. Clearly he is worthy in the eyes of a large number of others. Just ask anyone who lives in New York.


The rickshaw driver who built a hospital with his meagre life savings touched me more than I can say. Here is a humble man who valued hard work, and showed his commitment to help fellow human beings in distress.

This thread is not about your rickshaw driver, who - in another discussion seems to be someone who could also be held up as a roll model.


To suggest I don't value these qualities, Bugdoctor, is insane. It is a shame you didn't read all my posts before drawing your conclusions.

I never said you didn’t value these qualities. I said “PERHAPS his commitment to his dream, his success through hard work, and his humility are not important virtues for you.” Clearly he exhibits these traits, but you made an adamant statement that he was unworthy. If you feel, however, that these attributes ARE worthy of such accolades, then perhaps you could you point out which of these qualities he has not exhibited that would elicit your displeasure. Otherwise, we will all still wonder.



Well, I don't know about Lin's sacrifice. You insist he is a paragon; that is your right, Bugdoctor.

I never said he was a paragon. He is not perfection, and he is not a peerless example. IMO, he is, however, at least at the present time, a good roll model for our youth.


I would be more inclined to believe in his 'goodness' if he donated - 'sacrificed' - some of his wealth to good causes. That would make him a better role model, in my opinion.

Perhaps. But roll models come in all shapes and sizes, and offer a wide variety of contributions, only some of which include money. However, based on your comment above, are we therefore to assume that you think giving money is a prerequisite to being a roll model?

I would like to commend Aljazeera. They gave the same air time to the rickshaw driver as Lin. In fact, one news report followed the other, nicely contrasting the relative 'sacrifices' of the subjects.

What lin does and what your rickshaw driver does are not related to each other. One can compare the contributions of Gandhi with the mayor of some small town in Kansas who was instrumental in getting a new high school built in their community. My question would be simply: Why?
They have nothing to do with each other, and neither do Lin nor your rickshaw driver. Not everyone can be a Gandhi or a Mother Teresa. We each contribute in our own way. Jeremy Lin is a basketball player. He’s never claimed to be anything else. He has not embarrassed the team, or himself, with bad conduct, and he has, instead, modestly assumed a leadership role for which his countrymen are proud - and IMO - justly so. Perhaps you’d like to start a thread about YOUR hero. There, it will be fitting to lift your praises and toast him, along with others who have given beyond measure.

Your response to my note is laced with defensiveness and, it appears, a desire to create a confrontational situation with me. I do not wish that. I respect your right to feel as you do. However, when you criticize another in a manner which IMO is unfair or uncalled for, I reserve the right to offer a dissenting opinion.

I think this avenue of thought has run its course and I shall no longer participate in this thread.

I wish you well.





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Do you think JFK is an Irishman, or Henry Kissinger an Israeli? How you feel about him does not change the passport in Lin's pocket.
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nomadwa wrote:
Do you think JFK is an Irishman, or Henry Kissinger an Israeli? How you feel about him does not change the passport in Lin's pocket.


Are you asking HWNN1961? He states Lin is an American.

Personally, I don't care whether Lin is Chinese, American, or of mixed nationality. Why is this so important to you? As a Chinese person do you need someone to put up on a pedestal?

Assuming you have read the varied comments in this thread, what is your opinion on the subject of Lin? Can you understand the attitude of those who scorn celebrity and the sheep-like worship of it?

As you may have gathered, I am a sceptic.
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Bugdoctor,

I wish you well, too.
I would like to answer the question you asked me, but as you have withdrawn from the thread I would be wasting my time.
Perhaps the OP might respond to the thorny issue of how the Chinese view philanthropy / altruism, if he/she doesn't mind a little deviation from the main point of the thread.
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Nomadwa, I have mixed you up with the OP. I apologise.
I hope 3unorchid can answer me.
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dingdong wrote:
nomadwa wrote:
Do you think JFK is an Irishman, or Henry Kissinger an Israeli? How you feel about him does not change the passport in Lin's pocket.


Are you asking HWNN1961? He states Lin is an American.

Personally, I don't care whether Lin is Chinese, American, or of mixed nationality. Why is this so important to you? As a Chinese person do you need someone to put up on a pedestal?

Assuming you have read the varied comments in this thread, what is your opinion on the subject of Lin? Can you understand the attitude of those who scorn celebrity and the sheep-like worship of it?

As you may have gathered, I am a sceptic.



My post was intended as a reply to the OP. I care very little about stars in professional sports or in any other field. If you are successful at something, good for you; but I am not self-important enough to rhapsodize about anyone who is not personally connected to me.

To do him justice, on re-reading his post, I think the OP was more likely to be expressing his emotional affinities to Lin than putting Lin on any kind of a pedestal.
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dingdong wrote:
nomadwa wrote:
Do you think JFK is an Irishman, or Henry Kissinger an Israeli? How you feel about him does not change the passport in Lin's pocket.


Are you asking HWNN1961? He states Lin is an American.

Personally, I don't care whether Lin is Chinese, American, or of mixed nationality. Why is this so important to you? As a Chinese person do you need someone to put up on a pedestal?

Assuming you have read the varied comments in this thread, what is your opinion on the subject of Lin? Can you understand the attitude of those who scorn celebrity and the sheep-like worship of it?

As you may have gathered, I am a sceptic.


What I don't understand, and I'm sure I'm not alone, is WHY you feel the need to put down Jeremy Lin. It's not that big a deal. The OP asked if we thought he was Chinese or American, and then seemed to imply that he was proud of Lin for his accomplishments because, apparently, they're both Chinese. That's all. He never said Lin was a great icon, or that he was anything more than he is. He can be proud of Lin if he wants. I'm proud of my son when he gets an A in math. That may be nothing to you, but it's wonderful for me. I'll betcha you take pride in the deeds of some people or organizations that I feel are completely unworthy, and vica versa.

Ya ain't got to be the world's greatest gift to mankind to have someone be proud of you.
Lighten up, Dude. Let Lin and his fans enjoy the sunshine. Chances are, all that stuff will come down to earth sooner than later, but for now - Good for him.


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Countryboy wrote: What I don't understand, and I'm sure I'm not alone, is WHY you feel the need to put down Jeremy Lin.

You are as unobservant as some others who have contributed to this thread.
I was not putting him down; I was saying he is merely ordinary. What I was putting down was the cult of celebrity and the sheep-like nature of those who follow people who have done nothing much. In my opinion Lin is one of those, but others who think dropping a ball into a net means something will disagree.

Do you understand now, Dude? I hope so, because I'm not saying it again.
Epiphileon
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:21:39 PM

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Litvinenko wrote:
I heard somewhere someone was joking about Scot sportsmen. "If he is good, he is British. If he is crap, he is Scot".

You've misheard this quote, it goes, "If it's not Scottish it's crap." But then if you're talking team sports, wellllll, we aren't really all that well known for playing well with others. But if you need a tree thrown about, or a hammer tossed a fair distance, them come find us knocking little balls all about the country, and we may give you a hand.

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Posted: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:25:34 PM

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I don't know, Epi, if I've misheard it. I'll give an example: If Andy Murray won, he'd be referred as a British tennis player. If he lost, he's a Scot.

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Because his name is Lin and has a Chinese looking, it's inevitable that his native homeland often get mentioned. It'd be different if his name was Gingrich, Martinez, Polanski, Krueger, Andersson, Giuliani,...


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Posted: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:09:10 PM

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Yep, nope you probably didn't, now I see what you mean.

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