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Remove the Iron Curtainby Anuradha Jamwal (Edit) Kashmir is a dispute between India and Pakistan. In my opinion it's time for the world community to make India to act upon UN resolutions on Kashmir. The UN resolutions demands the Right of Self-Determination for Kashmiri people.
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If the author wasn't so obviously biased he would have told us something about the Pakistan's role in that area's problems.
And, Jeech,
you could have added your own comment, not only the link,
just to show us you have your own opinion in this case, not only an agenda.
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Here you are JJ, I have edited it with my opinion.
Pleased to see you concerning about Pakistani role in the Indian occupied Kashmir. Pakistan is the main party of this dispute? Pakistan's role is naturally, moraly, politically and even militarilly is very correct where we have other examples world over. But Pakistani role there for the last 10 years, has remained only polical and moral support of Kashmiri people. Pakistan has withdrawn the military suport to Kashmiri freedom fighters. Those militants ciesed and rejoined the political parties in order to get world's support for their freedom.
The Southern/Christian Sudani Militants had millitary suport from other countries but still, the European countries suported the devision of Sudan. And you know the militants of Libya etc...
You are not supposed to be blind on Indian occupation of Kashmir and their recognised right of self-determination.
If the auther didn't describe about Pakistani role she also did not speak of Kashmiris' right to self-determination. So, as a Pakistani point of view did she turn biased? Where, you know she's an Indian author and has addressed mainly the Indian audiance.
By the way, JJ, I shouldn't expet any bias from you, should I?
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How about the 40% of the Kashmir territory occupied by Pakistan? 
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:How about the 40% of the Kashmir territory occupied by Pakistan?
Let the people decide by a refrundom. That's what the right of self-determination. Simple, isn't it?
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I should have realised the importance of free speech now. Since, I've set the condition, 'fair speech' no one (exept the daring JJ) is ready to show up especially in the presence of mine, like a crual judge. :-q For your absolute free speech, let me sign-out from the thread by linking an article: The New KashmirBye!
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One would have to be on location to see the degree of oppression or that of lack of freedom, but the this: "... the most exuberant display of their favorite new pastime, the protest party." in the introductory paragraph (most likely unintentionally) diminishes the seriousness of the problem.
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Honestly, Jeech, I don't know enough about this particular situation to offer any informed comment, and I fear most of us out here are in the same boat. The writer ( who is, I suppose, Kashmiri ) is obviously passionate, but offers little to truly elucidate the history of this oppression. My gut feeling is with the Kashmiri, and kudos to you for caring enough to bring it to the attention of a wider audience.
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If some people knew the detailed history of the division of India and making of Pakistan, and if they would be aware of the fact how India occupied Kashmir, they would be a bit positive in their remarks.
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So Pakistan is not occupying part of Kashmir (oh, and China occupies a part, too)? Is there something wrong with my knowledge of history and geopolitics? And, as a test of fair speech, we could raise the question of East Pakistan, nowadays known as Bangladesh. Anyone familiar with International Mother Language Day? (It'll be next Tuesday, February 21st)
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The latest news:
A suicide bomb attack on a market in a Shia Muslim area of north-west Pakistan has killed 26 people and injured at least 50 others, officials say.
The attacker blew himself up close to a mosque in the town of Parachinar in Pakistan's tribal region of Kurram.
Three more people died when security forces fired on crowds protesting against the attack.
Fazal Saeed, the leader of a breakaway faction of the Pakistani Taliban, said it carried out the attack.
"We have targeted the Shia community of Parachinar because they were involved in activities against us," he told Reuters news agency.
Can Jeech or any other enlighten us of the security forces involved?
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Jyrkka... I wish you could read the history and then opined... in that case you would have been right. So let me request you... Please read what was decided by the British Commission and what India actually did which ensued this problem in Kashmir.
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:So Pakistan is not occupying part of Kashmir (oh, and China occupies a part, too)?
Is there something wrong with my knowledge of history and geopolitics? Absolutely! This is the knowledge only the map above shows you, my brother. I doubt you hate wiki things. I think it's either your lack of knowledge or some prejudice against a certain community. Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:And, as a test of fair speech,
we could raise the question of East Pakistan, nowadays known as Bangladesh. Yeah, did you see, Sudan was devided, Indonesia was devided and so was Pakistan, you know non of them ever resoluted in the UN. You know all that but you know nothing about Kashmiris right that the United Nations speaks about. I hope you won't mind when I have to call my friends bigot. Question yourself dear. I can't associate it with the topic. But I would say there is a lot of faithful Indians, Pakistanis and Chinese want a peaceful solution to the prolonged dispute between three nuclear nations.
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Representatives of some 60 countries had talks today in Tunis about the situation in Syria. There were most of the EU and other Western countries represented, as well as most of the Arab countries. China and Russia didn't attend. Nor did Pakistan.
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Saudi Arabia walked out protesting against... ...hell, it was Kashmir to liberate 
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Jeech,
you have now called me biased, prejudiced and a bigot.
You raised this question in the name of fair speech.
I have asked what is the role of Pakistan in this conflict.
Did India had wars all alone by herself in 1947, 1965 and 1999?
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:Jeech,
you have now called me biased, prejudiced and a bigot.
You raised this question in the name of fair speech.
I have asked what is the role of Pakistan in this conflict.
Did India had wars all alone by herself in 1947, 1965 and 1999?
Hey JJ, if you were not that open we would have killed each other. Please forgive me. Pakistan has not declared Kashmir as it's integral part, where India illegally has done with a little constitutional amendment and has by-passed the UN resolutions. But Pakistan held Kashmir is considered a free Kashmir which has a separate Prime Minister whose protocol is equavelent to a head of the state. There is no doubt that the Hindu Raja, being the head of princely state of 85% Muslim majority, Kashmir, used his right to choose Union of India to join. But what made India to bring the issue in the UN and agreed upon the refrundom?
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I offer my Indian friends to speak their mind on Kashmir at a proper thread like this, so that things could be discussed in the right place.
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Well, JJ, You may have been reading stuffs on Kashmir now, it's worth to keep in mind that some invasions on other parts of Pakistan had been made by Indian official troops, quite prior to the first war on Kashmir. The Indian wars that Pakistan has never fought: Bantwa ManavadarJunagadhQuite a defining time, who would act like what...!!
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Is this clip from Wikipedia article accurate?
In 1947, British rule in India ended with the creation of two new nations: the Union of India and the Dominion of Pakistan, while British suzerainty over the 562 Indian princely states ended. According to the Indian Independence Act 1947, "the suzerainty of His Majesty over the Indian States lapses, and with it, all treaties and agreements in force at the date of the passing of this Act between His Majesty and the rulers of Indian States", so the states were left to choose whether to join India or Pakistan or to remain independent. Jammu and Kashmir, the largest of the princely states, had a predominantly Muslim population, while having a Hindu ruler (Maharaja Hari Singh.) On partition Pakistan expected Kashmir to be annexed to it.
In October 1947, Muslim revolutionaries in western Kashmir and Pakistani tribals from Dir entered Kashmir, intending to liberate it from Dogra rule. Unable to withstand the invasion, the Maharaja signed the Instrument of Accession on 25 October 1947 that was accepted by the government of India on 27 October 1947.
After rumours that the Maharaja supported the annexation of Kashmir by India, militant Muslim revolutionaries from western Kashmir and Pakistani tribesmen made rapid advances into the Baramulla sector. Maharaja Hari Singh of Kashmir asked the government of India to intervene. However, India and Pakistan had signed an agreement of non-intervention. Although tribal fighters from Pakistan had entered Jammu and Kashmir, there was no iron-clad legal evidence to unequivocally prove that Pakistan was officially involved. It would have been illegal for India to unilaterally intervene in an open, official capacity unless Jammu and Kashmir officially joined the Union of India, at which point it would be possible to send in its forces and occupy the remaining parts.
The Maharaja desperately needed military assistance when the Pakistani tribals reached the outskirts of Srinagar. Before their arrival into Srinagar, India argued that the Maharaja must complete negotiations for ceding Jammu and Kashmir to India in exchange for receiving military aid. The agreement which ceded Jammu and Kashmir to India was signed by the Maharaja and Lord Mountbatten of Burma. In Jammu and Kashmir, National Conference volunteers worked with the Indian Army to drive out the Pakistanis.
The resulting war over Kashmir, the First Kashmir War, lasted until 1948, when India moved the issue to the UN Security Council. Sheikh Abdullah was not in favor of India seeking UN intervention because he was sure the Indian Army could free the entire State of invaders. The UN had previously passed resolutions for setting up monitoring of the conflict in Kashmir. Following the set-up of the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNCIP), the UN Security Council passed Resolution 47 on 21 April 1948. The resolution imposed an immediate cease-fire and called on Pakistan to withdraw all military presence. The resolution stated that Pakistan would have no say in Jammu and Kashmir politics. India would retain a minimum military presence and "the final disposition of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will be made in accordance with the will of the people expressed through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite conducted under the auspices of the United Nations." The ceasefire was enacted on 31 December 1948.
The Indian and Pakistani governments agreed to hold the plebiscite, but Pakistan did not withdraw its troops from Kashmir, thus violating the conditions for holding the plebiscite. In addition, the Indian Government distanced itself from its commitment to hold a plebiscite. Over the next several years, the UN Security Council passed four new resolutions, revising the terms of Resolution 47 to include a synchronous withdrawal of both Indian and Pakistani troops from the region, per the recommendations of General Andrew McNaughton. To this end, UN arbitrators put forward 11 different proposals for the demilitarization of the region. All of these were accepted by Pakistan, but rejected by the Indian government. The resolutions were passed by United Nations Security Council under Chapter VI of the United Nations Charter. Resolutions passed under Chapter VI of the UN charter are considered non-binding and have no mandatory enforceability, as opposed to the resolutions passed under Chapter VII...
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Yeah, quite fair, if we try to balance the opposit views. Do you have any point there, JJ?
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