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Can anyone here tell why China and Russia support Syrian government?
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Honestly, not really. I know that the old Soviet Union used to sell arms to Syria.
Was Syria a member of the "non-aligned bloc" during the Cold War? If so, maybe they formed bonds with the Chinese government in that way.
In general, anything that the West supports, they are against in a reflexive manner? So, what the West condemns, they support?
The Assad regime is a pariah. How anyone could offer support in any form to that government is beyond me.
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Russia and China resist U.N. efforts to censure Syria
"Russia's UN ambassador, Vitaly Churkin, told the council after the vote that his country did not support the Assad regime or the violence but opposed the resolution because it was "based on a philosophy of confrontation", contained "an ultimatum of sanctions" and was against a peaceful settlement. He complained that the resolution did not call for the Syrian opposition to disociate itself from "extremists" and enter into dialogue.
China's ambassador, Li Bandong, said his country was concerned about the violence and wanted reforms but opposed the resolution because "sanctions, or threat of sanctions, do not help the situation in Syria but rather complicates the situation"."
But, the REAL reason we can only guess it.
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:Can anyone here tell why China and Russia support Syrian government?
Because the U.S. does not.
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Maggie wrote:Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:Can anyone here tell why China and Russia support Syrian government?
Because the U.S. does not. Exactly, Maggie.
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Why do you concern about only China and Russia, JJ?
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Jeech wrote:Why do you concern about only China and Russia, JJ? China and Russia are permanent members in UN Security Council, and both have repeatedly vetoed the suggested international sanctions against Syria. The other supporters are Lebanon and Yemen. BTW, according to the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, current contracts for sales of arms and military equipment from Russia to Syria are worth at least $2.5 billion.
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Another suporter is Iran. Pakistan's president has warnd that Pakistan won't support any "aggresive staging." That still doesn't mean supporting of human rights' violation.
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:Jeech wrote:Why do you concern about only China and Russia, JJ? China and Russia are permanent members in UN Security Council, and both have repeatedly vetoed the suggested international sanctions against Syria. The other supporters are Lebanon and Yemen. BTW, according to the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, current contracts for sales of arms and military equipment from Russia to Syria are worth at least $2.5 billion. Wow! I think you answers 1/2 of your question! China and Syria Trade Relations Syria has always been a fan of China’s economic policy. Over years China has aimed at increasing its exports to the Middle East and Syria presents a good growth opportunity. Haier is a major manufacturer of white goods and it has become the first Chinese business establishment to establish a solid presence in the Syrian market, but with China becoming one of the fastest growing import partners for Syria, they are unlikely to be the last. about this ^ -- It's always about money. I should know that. http://www.economywatch.com/world_economy/syria/export-import.html
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me too i asked myself this question many times ..but this answer always complicated
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After vetoing the UN Security Council resolution on Syria's government and its actions, Russia sent in the Foreign Minister Lavrov to have talks with President Assad.
"We have every reason to believe that the signal that we've brought here to move along in a more active manner along all directions has been heard," said Lavrov.
At the same time the assault against city of Homs continues, and Russia has announced it will continue to sell more warfare to Syria.
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I think it's wrong interpritation. It won't serve anything but a catastrophic situation like Libya. Russian/ Syrian relations are niether new nor they are bond with the interior situation only. However, the Russian support to Syria in the current situation should be meant to saving another ally from a staged destruction. It would be biased if we neglect the encircling of Russian allies in the region.
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You didn't get it, Jeech.
Russia, with the mouth of Lavrov, is talking BS officialese while continuing to support a tyrant ruler and state terror.
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Yeah, JJ, but they are signs of the ugliest parts of the whole picture.
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Russia Warns of Global Impact If Iran AttackedMr. Laurov says, "It has nothing to do with desire to strengthen the nuclear non-prolifration." He fears, "I have no doubt that it will add fuel to the smouldering confrantation between Sunnis and Shi'ites." Some may consider the fear as a tactic to prevent the attake but the attacking side knows the consequences very well. Read an article from an Israel based think tank: BESA Center for Strategic StudiesTo see the whole picture through the eye of an American think tank: Syria: The Arab Spring's biggest riskLourov's fear is quite a responsible country's concerns.
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:Can anyone here tell why China and Russia support Syrian government?
WELL MANY RAESONS: FIRSTLY ,WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SYRIA WE IMPLY IRAN- AND ITS MILITARY ARM IN LEBANON(HIZB ALLAH/ALLAH'S PARTY)-WHICH IS FAR AWAY FROM WHAT IT REPRESENTS ABOUT ISLAM BY THE WAY-WHO IS TRYING TO DOMINATE THE MIDDLE EAST TO GAIN THE STRATEGICAL INFLUENCE OF THE AREA IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE SO CALLED (THE SHEEA CRESCENT)AND OF COURSE IT HAS ACCOMPLISHED ITS FIRST SUCCESS BY DOMINATING IRAQ NOW.AND HENCE ,THIS PUTS IT IN A DIRECT CONFRONTATION WITH ISRAEL -AND OF COURSE WHEN WE SAY ISRAEL WE IMPLY AMERICA-WHICH HAS THE SAME GOAL OF DOMINATING THE MIDDLE EAST IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE SO CALLED (GRAND ZIONIST EXISTENCE )PROJECT RESEMBLED BY ITS LOGO(FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA)WHICH IS ALSO REPRESENTED BY THE TWO BLUE STRAPS ON ITS FLAG. SO ,FINALLY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A WAR BETWEEN IRAN AND ISRAEL AND GUESS WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE GREED OF THESE TWO NATIONS?
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AND OFCOURSE CHINA ,RUSSIA AND AMERICA ARE THE BIG PLAYERS WHO ARE TRYING TO DOMINATE THE WORLD IN GENERAL SO IT'S NATURAL FOR EACH ONE TO SUPPORT ITS ALLIES IN THE REGION BASED ON THE PRINCIPLLE "THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND"
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There's no need to shout, momani. Writing everything in UPPER CASE is considered as shouting (in netiquette). Besides, it's difficult to read long sentences and paragraphs all in upper case.
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momani, I respect your views. I can feel the terror you're facing and the uncertainty that's tearing you into hostility toward Syria and Iran. If you're too old to recall the incident that once made the US troops land on Saudi Arabia and Kuwait then you don't need any other country of the region to blame. The US has it's strategic interests; the greater it is the power the fierse is its game. It's up to the regional countries how they takle the infinit line of threats.
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Todays News footage of the Syrian Government attacking their own people with tanks and rockets.
How can any country justify this?
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I. Taking lessons from the successful outcome in Libya:
1. There has to be some organization in Syria capable of accepting logistical and any military aid before that aid can effectively be offered. Right now, the opposition seems splintered. That has to change.
2. Once there is some semblance of an opposition umbrella group, the Arab League should take the lead. As in Libya, NATO can and should give aid. Perhaps a NATO led air war.
3. The USA contributes those skills and abilities that are unique to a superpower, and some funding. No American boots on the ground.
II. The Differences From the Libyan War:
1. Regrettably, for their own selfish reasons, China and Russia will veto and forbid any U.N. backing for action.
2. In Libya, an opposition coalesced and eventually, with training and assistance, became effective and ultimately triumphed. Aside from the aerial bombardment, Libyan blood paid for Libyian freedom. If the opposition can't organize, there will come a point where the slaughter cannot be allowed to continue. Hopefully, the Arab states will have the backbone, with Western Logistical aid, to send troops in, UN or no UN.
3. One other thing that I sincerely hope will be different about this outcome: that the criminal Assad will live to stand trial, and be hung by the neck until dead.
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I saw an inteview with Assad and Barbara Walters, a month or so ago.
Assad sounded quite believable until the proviso appeared, not to be shown in Syria, the very people that could support the validity of his answers.
The News Buletin, I saw this morning was an interview with a civilian in the street, with rockets being fired behind him.
At the end of the interview he said 'Where is America?'
The irony of this statement, and similar ones before this, when things get tough, where is America?, always amaze me.
Not where is the Arab League or another Arab country?
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Tovarish wrote:Todays News footage of the Syrian Government attacking their own people with tanks and rockets.
How can any country justify this? Not so wiered! Next time you'll see Iran would be bombing the Islamic holy cities, persuing American bases in Saudi Arabia. Who knew Taliban would bomb Pakistan? But it happened. You can expect all unexpectables in the war age of trollings and proxies, the social technologies of destruction. Worst than nukes!
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Jeech wrote:momani, I respect your views. I can feel the terror you're facing and the uncertainty that's tearing you into hostility toward Syria and Iran. If you're too old to recall the incident that once made the US troops land on Saudi Arabia and Kuwait then you don't need any other country of the region to blame. The US has it's strategic interests; the greater it is the power the fierse is its game. It's up to the regional countries how they takle the infinit line of threats. i respect your point of view jeech,yet ,what i stated earlier is not based on my FEELINGS of hostility towards iran or syria ,rather its the outcome of political analysis stated by media and and region experts. regarding the US troops in saudi and kuwait ,you can see how iraq was divided into three territories and the main supporters for that was the co operation of coalition forces and of course with irani blessing and un announced back up from iran to put saddam hussein away .the point is politics has no friends.
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Thank goodness for free elections!
If we dont like them we just vote them out of a job.
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Todays News is, Turkey is supporting the US with their condemnation of the Assad government.
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Tovarish wrote:Todays News is, Turkey is supporting the US with their condemnation of the Assad government. That just might get the Assad regime's attention. I've been stationed in Turkey, and from what I know of the Turks, they don't kid around. Turkey could mass an army more than sufficient to qwell the murder and end that abominable regime. Go Turks!
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@momani, it was the American sword that helped spread the democracy in Iraq. Not Iran. Americans took the responsibility to protect Iraqi people. Why Iran couldn't do any bad with Iraqi people in the Saddam regime?
Again, you are badly devided and inviting Americans to destroy. I can only wish you for good luck.
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Jeech, I don't quite understand this comment of yours; "Why Iran couldn't do any bad with Iraqi people in the Saddam regime"? If it means what I think it does, then here is the answer. Iran/Irag war, 1980 to 1988. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/iran-iraq.htm
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I couldnt understand the message either.
My question is why all the hatred & where is the civilised behaviour between countrymen?
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Can't the US & UK veto China and Russia's vetoes?
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Tovarish wrote:I couldnt understand the message either.
My question is why all the hatred & where is the civilised behaviour between countrymen? Maybe because they consider the uprising is engineered by evil foreign agency, so the Syrians who participate are considered as evil or betrayers.
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Maggie wrote:Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:Can anyone here tell why China and Russia support Syrian government?
Because the U.S. does not. Hehe, well said! 
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