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Kim Jong Il (North Korea) died at the age of 69 Options
ClubFavolosa
Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 12:23:25 PM

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CNN published a story.

What will be the consequence for the world now there is a new leader, very likely his youngest son Kim Jong-un (about 28 yo)?

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uuaschbaer
Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 12:53:29 PM

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Absolutely nothing

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almostfreebird
Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:16:16 PM

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Exactly

thar
Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:18:26 PM

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I just have a problem understanding leaders like this. Overseeing the genocide of 'foreigners', or a race or religion you despise, I can sort of understand (although of course not condone). But those leaders who cause the genocide and suffering of their own people, I just do not understand. And the more they claim to be working for the good of the country, and the common people, the more homicidally insane they seem to be!

And why are you so paranoid if all your children / people 'love' you as a great leader?

an amnesty international short film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1y0yhV6IT7o

[sorry, don't know where it is from, I got it off the facebook page of Jón Gnarr, Mayor of Reykjavík, who has campaigned on North Korea!]

and another film about what goes on in the camps - this one is a video nasty so only for the truly truthseeking (again, I am taking the source and credibility on trust)
http://youtu.be/l1oUd89QvGo

rot in hell Kim, it sounds like one of your prison camps - you should feel right at home!
ellana
Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:20:28 PM
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I've watched a lot of footage and interviews today on several international TV sites. It is quite amazing to see the orchestrated outpouring of tears, 'ad nauseam', for someone who cannot be described any better than evil. Another tyrant bites the dust with impunity and now we wait to see what son #3 will do. I suspect that 28 years of brainwashing will have him follow family tradition. Incredible how these people continue to exist.

It is not easy to be hopeful...
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:29:17 PM

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All (at least 99%) the flow of information in North Korea is controlled by government. But there are computers and mobile phones in the country, so - sooner or later - the people will find out what's happening, and the folks will start the revolution. The bad thing is that the Army is in rule and it's one of the biggest in the world. I'm afraid the uprising will end up in a blood bath and probably not only inside the borders.


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Geeman
Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:27:20 PM

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ClubFavolosa wrote:
CNN published a story.

What will be the consequence for the world now there is a new leader, very likely his youngest son Kim Jong-un (about 28 yo)?

I predict civil war in the next 10 years in North Korea. It's about 60/40 IMO. I wouldn't lay money on it... but it seems more likely than not. If Un can get 10 years he'll consolidate power well enough to be another scumbag dictatorial madman for the remainder of his life, or until outside pressure finally brings him down.

Really, it depends most on the upper structure of the current military elite. If they lose faith in Un then the party's over (as it were.)

The real question is whether a civil war might be diverted by going after South Korea. I think that's about a 1 in 10 because even Un has to realize that it would almost certainly end his regime because the Chinese wouldn't stand up for him the way they did for his granddaddy after WWII. It remains to be seen, however, whether the conflict will spill out of NK itself.
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:01:28 PM

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The world knows about internal things of N Korea only what N Korea wants the world to know. NO one even knew how Kim Jong-Un looked like about a year back. Now the new leader has a lot in his hands. With news of turbulence in middle east, it is not surprising if other countries raise against dictatorship.

I had read somewhere that Kim Jong-il wanted his country to be recognised. He did not leave any stone unturned to convert his country from nothing to something. N Korea is a nuclear power. Rest of the world is aware of this. Lets hope the future of N Korea is good and so is that of others.


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Maggie
Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:09:34 PM

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srirr wrote:
He did not leave any stone unturned to convert his country from nothing to something. N Korea is a nuclear power. Rest of the world is aware of this. Lets hope the future of N Korea is good and so is that of others.


Yes. He converted his country from nothing to something, and he did it on the backs and souls of every citizen of North Korea - fueled by their fears and their worst nightmares.

I hope the free world will no longer allow another dog eating dictator to push them around. It's time for the people of North Korea to have at least a glimpse of what freedom is really like.

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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:49:59 PM

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They always seem to have a new megalomanic warming up in their own "bull-pen" of insanity. What a flippin' country.

"Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless, and do no wrong". (Knight's Oath, Kingdom of Heaven)
ClubFavolosa
Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:58:32 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lztsyktTJlo

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Articulate Dreamer
Posted: Friday, December 23, 2011 3:44:10 PM

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srirr wrote:
The world knows about internal things of N Korea only what N Korea wants the world to know. NO one even knew how Kim Jong-Un looked like about a year back. Now the new leader has a lot in his hands. With news of turbulence in middle east, it is not surprising if other countries raise against dictatorship.

I had read somewhere that Kim Jong-il wanted his country to be recognised. He did not leave any stone unturned to convert his country from nothing to something. N Korea is a nuclear power. Rest of the world is aware of this. Lets hope the future of N Korea is good and so is that of others.



I'm not sure this Kim did much more than continue the legacy of his father Kim Il Sing, a crazy megalomaniac terrorising dictator. Excellent talent in people too frightened to speak up or too muted by propaganda is how N Korea became the menacing power it is.

"Tiger! Tiger!...my mistake...I thought I was William Blake" ~Ogden Nash
almostfreebird
Posted: Friday, December 23, 2011 11:47:54 PM

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I don't know what the mini-me was educated in Switzerland as a student studying abroad, but he surely experienced the life in the country of freedom.
I hope the death of Kim Jong Il helps things move toward the resolution of getiing Megumi Yokota back to her parents who are almost 80 years old.

Megumi Yokota, still alive

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