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The strategy must be:
"We have no shame".
Only in such a brutal manner to explain this:
The US government wanted to improve standards of nutrition in our public schools. The US Congress, clearly seeing a socialist plot, decided to vote in the House of Representatives last week on a bill that declared that the cardboard with a bit of phoney cheeze and a spoonful of a tomato-like substance should be declared:
A Vegetable.
I so wish that I was kidding.
A prominent comedian called this the "No Child Left Without a Huge Behind" law.
Honestly, I thought that Congress would recall the negative that James Watt incurred for his party for declaring katsup a "vegetable".
Wow, these people are truely shameless!
Congress currently has a 9% approval rating. They think that they will be re-elected on the coat-tails of Obama's loss:
I think they are delusional.
This do-nothing congress will lose, no matter what happens to the Presidential race. They should. Republicans have decided that doing nothing and blaming it all on Obama will get them elected. I'm pretty sure they have made a big mistake.
"Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless, and do no wrong". (Knight's Oath, Kingdom of Heaven)
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Dear
What is coat-tail.
Thanks.
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Dear
What is coat-tails.
Thanks.
A friend in need is a friend indeed.
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Dubai wrote:Dear
What is coat-tails.
Thanks. Quote: coat·tail
n.
1. The loose back part of a coat that hangs below the waist.
2. coattails The skirts of a formal or dress coat.
Idiom:
on the coattails of
1. As a result of the success of another: elected to office on the coattails of a popular governor.
2. Immediately following or as a direct result of: resigned on the coattails of the scandal.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Something like grabbing a horse's tail and getting pulled along...
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In a country with a population of 312,644,005 per US Census Bureau, I find it amazing that the country watches itself fall into decline with governing bodies that seem to lack members with basic common sense. From a distance, it is easy to find this laughable if not tragic. Is it the failing education system that is producing people with this level of intellect? Having spent several years working in the US, I know that people of substance are in the mix but where are they?? I watch the current Republican debates and fail to understand why anyone in their right mind would vote for these clowns.
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ellana wrote:In a country with a population of 312,644,005 per US Census Bureau, I find it amazing that the country watches itself fall into decline with governing bodies that seem to lack members with basic common sense. From a distance, it is easy to find this laughable if not tragic. Is it the failing education system that is producing people with this level of intellect? Having spent several years working in the US, I know that people of substance are in the mix but where are they?? I watch the current Republican debates and fail to understand why anyone in their right mind would vote for these clowns. Its pretty simple, really. The American political system is like a viral infection. Initially the drugs (electing new people to office) are effective, but then not even that thwarts the infection as the virus mutates and adapts. Political corruption and the decline/erradication of moral values by elected officials has caused the American public to basically give up on the process. We've lost faith. Its broken. Older people are just riding out the storm as best they can, middle-aged are ducking for cover and the younger generations have just given up. Yes, sad indeeed.
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In regard to the OP (Pizza is a vegetable) - I bet Jamie Oliver is now shedding tears for the 2nd time over American schoolchildren!
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Romany wrote:In regard to the OP (Pizza is a vegetable) - I bet Jamie Oliver is now shedding tears for the 2nd time over American schoolchildren! Just a second time? Doesn't he cry at the drop of a cruton? Defining the pizza (if I recall correctly, it wasn't even the pizza itself, it was just the few teaspoons of sauce on the pizza) as a vegetable portion is a pretty good example of what happens when corporate interests overcome common sense in politics. Most pizza shouldn't even be on the menu for schoolkids. I'm sure there's healthy pizza, but that's a whole 'nother beast. I understand they successfully also got french fries back on the menu. Wasn't it in Spurlock's documentary that they took "troubled" kids and fed them a healthy diet and their behavior problems dropped dramatically?
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NancyLee wrote:Dubai wrote:Dear
What is coat-tails.
Thanks. Quote: coat·tail
n.
1. The loose back part of a coat that hangs below the waist.
2. coattails The skirts of a formal or dress coat.
Idiom:
on the coattails of
1. As a result of the success of another: elected to office on the coattails of a popular governor.
2. Immediately following or as a direct result of: resigned on the coattails of the scandal.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Something like grabbing a horse's tail and getting pulled along... Thank you Nancylee. Busy week, first chance to get back to the Forum in a few days....
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can I just play anti-outraged here, and say - of course potatoes (as chips) and tomato sauce (in pizza) are vegetables. Whatever else comes with them in that particular cooking method - the fat, the salt, the processed meat - does not make them stop being vegetables.
Denying basic scientific facts, even in the good cause of child nutrition, never does any good. So, chips are made of potatoes, but depending on how they are made and cooked may contain unhealthy levels of oil, salt, fats. So, give guidelines to schools about how much of those they should have. Use them to make healthy menus. Educate kids in food choices, so they know what they are eating. Too many kids (I think, not exactly involved with American youth!) have no idea of where food comes from. Meat comes in packets and potatoes grow on trees. So making laws based on lies is not really helping!
So, deal with the guidelines for salt, fat and processed food instead of trying to prove that chips are not made of potatoes!
[since this is an American issue, for chips please read French Fries. Or Freedom Fries if you are still pissed off with the French!]
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Just make sure your Congress keeps their hands off Goat Pie!
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Copy of my email to Senate Majority Leader Reid follows:
Dear Senate Majority Leader Reid:
Use your energies to block the version of the School Lunch Bill recently approved by the House of Representatives as part of the greater Spending Bill. Our school children should not suffer from an unhealthful diet while food industry lobbyists and the Congressmen they buy live high on the hog. Lobbyists' greasy prints are all over the Bill. Moreover, the "Pizza is a vegetable" vote has subjected the U.S. Congress to well-deserved ridicule around the world, making it all too apparent that corporate interests, not the voters, actually rule the country. Reclaim at least a modicum of respect for this Congress by doing the right thing for a change.
Sincerely,
MTC
(full name given in email)
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thar wrote:can I just play anti-outraged here, and say - of course potatoes (as chips) and tomato sauce (in pizza) are vegetables. Whatever else comes with them in that particular cooking method - the fat, the salt, the processed meat - does not make them stop being vegetables.
Denying basic scientific facts, even in the good cause of child nutrition, never does any good. So, chips are made of potatoes, but depending on how they are made and cooked may contain unhealthy levels of oil, salt, fats. So, give guidelines to schools about how much of those they should have. Use them to make healthy menus. Educate kids in food choices, so they know what they are eating. Too many kids (I think, not exactly involved with American youth!) have no idea of where food comes from. Meat comes in packets and potatoes grow on trees. So making laws based on lies is not really helping!
So, deal with the guidelines for salt, fat and processed food instead of trying to prove that chips are not made of potatoes!
[since this is an American issue, for chips please read French Fries. Or Freedom Fries if you are still pissed off with the French!] Thar, the point is that you have probably never seen what I accurately described as the "cardboard with phoney cheese and a tomato like substance on it" that passes for pizza in school cafeterias!
I heard an interview of a nutritionist on NPR that said to get enough tomato paste on the pizza to have it qualify as a serving of "vegetables", you'd have to serve the pizza in a bowl with a spoon! It's more a question of sufficient quantity, and that is sorely lacking. But, not the salt, the fat, the processing chemicals. They are there in profusion...along with trace amounts of tomato.
"Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless, and do no wrong". (Knight's Oath, Kingdom of Heaven)
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I must agree, when I first read this I wondered how much tomato paste you would have to put in a pizza to count as a serving. But surely there is an amount that qualifies as a serving, not just the presence of vegetable? Assuming the guidelines are that there has to be vegetable, I also assumed it came with an amount specified. ie not just one pea or a smear of tomato sauce, surely?
and do the parents want their kids eating pizza for lunch? , Apart from anything else, you eat it with your fingers, so I guess it saves the school in knives and forks, but it doesn't exactly help those who eat badly at home, either nutritionally or with table manners.
I agree the food sounds terrible, but you said it yourself, surely if there is so little actual vegetable it can't satisfy the vegetable requirements? Or is there a massive loophole in the law?
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Quis custodiet ipsos vegetables. It is clearly in the interests of the collection of cabbages currently masquerading as legislators to have their neo-vegetablist agenda promulgated in the school system. Who knows ? Today pizza topping, tomorrow Secretary for Defence. It's the American dream, man.
What a bunch of knobs !
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This is one alternate reality, one of a multitude, discharged by those in government for the purpose of control.
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excaelis wrote:Quis custodiet ipsos vegetables. It is clearly in the interests of the collection of cabbages currently masquerading as legislators to have their neo-vegetablist agenda promulgated in the school system. Who knows ? Today pizza topping, tomorrow Secretary for Defence. It's the American dream, man.
What a bunch of knobs ! Yep. Absolute knobs. Tools, in fact. They fight tirelessly for the right of poor children everywhere to start developing heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, and hangnails. It's their God-given right as red-blooded geunine amerikans to learn how to maintain a wretchedly poor diet at an early age!
Stand firm, scions of feedom...stand firm! After all, the lobbyists that selflessly safeguard the profits of the companies that produce this swill miscalled pizza are only helping to enable the job creators to do their holy work. They do create jobs...in India.
"Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless, and do no wrong". (Knight's Oath, Kingdom of Heaven)
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On second thought, perhaps it would be a good thing if pizza grew on trees.
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It would seem that Congress has found a simpler way of handling the population... A quote from the Congressional Record (the speaker was Dr Jose Delgado) Quote:“We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated.
“The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal view. This lacks historical perspective.
“Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electronically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.” Besides, I don't like pizza! 
Though lovers be lost, love shall not, and Death shall have no dominion. - Dylan Thomas
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