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The desire of power in excess caused the angels to fall; the desire of knowledge in excess caused man to fall. Options
Daemon
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The desire of power in excess caused the angels to fall; the desire of knowledge in excess caused man to fall.

Francis Bacon (1561-1626)
Joseph Glantz
Posted: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:26:04 AM
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Don't know about the first part.
Not sure about the second - Power/Money/Beauty in excess. Those I can see.
GabhSigenod
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Yes, excess beyond what is requisite causes unwanted outcomes.
yogistyle92
Posted: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:05:01 AM
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Knowledge=Power
pedro
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Power=VoltsxAmps
floyd
Posted: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:18:06 AM
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Remarkable, isn't it, that Bacon could have written 400 years ago about nuclear weapons.

Knowledge, power and fall about covers it.

floyd
Epiphileon
Posted: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:18:37 AM

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Just in case this non-contextual quote would lead to a misunderstanding of Bacon, he also said this...
Quote:
Those who have handled sciences have been either men of experiment or men of dogmas. The men of experiment are like the ant, they only collect and use; the reasoners resemble spiders, who make cobwebs out of their own substance. But the bee takes a middle course: it gathers its material from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of its own. Not unlike this is the true business of philosophy; for it neither relies solely or chiefly on the powers of the mind, nor does it take the matter which it gathers from natural history and mechanical experiments and lay it up in the memory whole, as it finds it, but lays it up in the understanding altered and digested. Therefore from a closer and purer league between these two faculties, the experimental and the rational (such as has never yet been made), much may be hoped.
percivalpecksniff
Posted: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:36:55 AM

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Bacon a confessed Christian said: Those who have handled sciences have been either men of experiment or men of dogmas.unquote

I posit that at times it is both. Many in the scientific world are setting out to 'prove' a pet theory and are dogmatic in this sense: Dogma.2. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true.

They do not explore avenues that may contest their pet theories and their assunptions are weighted in tandem with the the things they assume to be absolutely beyond question.

You find this in the religious field and in the so-called evolution of life fields. Objectiveness, in my opinion, is at a premium.
nowherenothere
Posted: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:40:35 AM

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Knowledge = Power
Time = Money
Power = Work/Time
Simplify.

'Ignorance is Bliss'; we're all blissed to some extent, even if it's just a blissing in disguise.

With Knowledge (or Power) comes Responsibility...it seems many people forget this, and thus often find Trouble. ( see also, Political Power)


jcbarros
Posted: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:25:48 AM

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No man can ever knows in excess, ergo no falls loom ahead. Hmmm, something´s wrong here...Think
HWNN1961
Posted: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:27:55 AM

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I cannot speak for the Angels,

But,

Knowledge caused mankind to RISE...not to fall!
jmacann
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The more you know, the more you have to lose to succeeed in the end.
MTC
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Bacon's quotation brings to mind the German legend of Dr. Faustus in which Dr. Faustus gives his soul to the Devil in exchange for unlimited Knowledge--the classic Faustian Bargain. In the Bible Adam and Eve exceed their appointed limits by eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They sought Knowledge through Experiment rather than Faith, forshadowing the Scientific Method. Historically, Religion and sometime Myth have sought to proscribe limits to Man's knowledge. "Know your place" is the message. Bacon, though a Christian, embraces Science. He is unwilling to accept divine limits to Man's Knowledge. In the quotation he advocates reasoning from facts discovered by experiment to obtain a better understanding of the World.
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