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Catch 22 just celebrated its 50th birthday? One of my favorite war novels. Which war novels do you like?
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I never read war novels since they almost always glorify war. I do however like non-fiction books on the subject.
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Catch 22 was one of my all time favourites although I read it some 30+ years ago. I am not sure if it would have the same appeal now. Would the humour seem overly contrived now? Some rather special characters in it (Major Major Major major being one favourite). Remarque's 'All Quiet on the Western Front' is another must read. (neither glorify war pp by the way)
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Definitely Catch 22, and though most wouldn't think of it strictly as a war novel, Slaughterhouse Five made a profound impression on me. Oh and Fail Safe scared the crap out of me when I read it at 11 years old.
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On The Beach by Nevil Shute
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My friend Chuck, who just recently lost his wife Helen, fought in WW11 and the Koren War, and his only comment about it is: "War is hell...hell, hell Marissa, hell on earth, hell!"
I read a book once, a long time a go that won--I believe--the Nobel prize for literature. I think, though I am not sure, it was written in French, and I read the translation. I can't remember the name of it or how to even begin to search for it on the web. I think it was written in a kind of stream of consciousness from different characters point of view-- a bit like Faulkner. And even though it was about war, it was very poetic and beautiful. Maybe it was the author who won the award for literature. And it seems it was written about WW1. If anyone knows which book I am writing about and the Authors name, I would be much obliged.
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tootsie wrote: On The Beach by Nevil Shute
I did not read this book, but saw the movie, and thereby have dealt with periodic episodes of "Waltzing Mathilda", playing in my head ever since.
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Mr. Glantz: I did not like: "Catch 22", because was to "strong" for me. And I believe is a "ANTI-WAR" novel.
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Mr Soria, almost all the "good" war novels are anti-war.
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Recently read Catch-22 for the first time and it immediately became one of my favourite books. It can hardly be said to glorify war, in fact it's more a condemnation of the idiocy behind it. I don't think it's contrived at all; I couldn't stop laughing in parts, but also found it upsetting (which, to be fair, is hardly surprising given the setting of it). It's not so upsetting as to give you nightmares unless you're particularly sensitive.
As for other war books - I'm not really into them. However, Siegfried Sassoon's WWI poems are very strong.
Pat Barker's Regeneration trilogy, also based in WWI is interesting. It's mainly based in a psychiatric hospital with real characters (Dr Rivers, Sassoon, Owen and some others) but there are fictional characters and settings which fit beautifully with it. It's a very well researched thread and each book can be read as stand-alone stories. I had to read the 3rd one for a course and was interested enough to get the other two to see how it had all come to that particular ending. Not for the faint hearted, but again, not over the top in nasty descriptions, just realistic. Worth a read.
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I can only second pedro's choices. Remarque impressed me deeply, no wonder his books were burned by the Nazis; Heller made me laugh and 'Epi's' Vonnegut hit me from a different angle.
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Johnny Got His Gun, by Dalton Trumbo was one of the most controversial 'anti war' novels of it's time; All Quiet on the Western Front also one of the most influential. Hooker's M*A*S*H ( and Altman's film version) and Catch-22 are great satires, with Catch-22 speaking to paradoxes in logic.
Victor Klemperer's diaries are insightful. The Diary of Anne Frank speaks for itself.
Ulysses S. Grant's memoirs are interesting reading too.
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Run Silent, Run Deep is a novel published first during 1955 by then-Commander Edward L. Beach, Jr. about submarine warfare in WWII.
The Red Badge of Courage is a war novel by American author Stephen Crane (1871–1900) taking place during the American Civil War.
All Quiet on the Western Front is a novel by Erich Maria Remarque taking place during WWI.
I read all of these when young and remember them best. I've read some of the others mentioned but I'm not a big war fiction based on reality reader. War history books are OK. Reading about the 100 years war and the 30 years war for example. Something far enough away not to stir up uncomfortable emotions.
Starship Troopers by Robert A Heinlein I read during the sixties. Loved it. Movie - Bad - missed too much of the world philosophy background, just a mediocre action film. Somehow easier to handle fictional war for me, couldn't handle news during the Vietnam war and still shy away ...
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War and peace.
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tootsie wrote: On The Beach by Nevil Shute
Holy gazolie! I read this (and was pretty lost) when I was a kid (less than a teenager, I don't remember exactly how old). I thought it was great, even though I was pretty confused about a lot of what was happening. Nuclear annihilation was in the air at the time, so it was very relevant to what I was hearing in the "real world".
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Gone with the Wind was a pretty good read.
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I thought Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings trilogy and related work quite excellent. It is an epic 'war' novel. Along those same lines, T.H. White's The Once and Future King is most excellent too.
Let's see, Dune by Frank Herbert could possibly be considered a 'war novel'.
Then there are a couple of others that aren't truly war novels, per se, but one could by some great stretch of the imagination also include: I, Robot by Asimov, and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Philip K. Dick.
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percivalpecksniff wrote:I never read war novels since they almost always glorify war. I do however like non-fiction books on the subject. I don't know if I am right PPS, but I think war films glorify war, I don't think that novels glorify war at all, it really rather depends on the person reading the novel, what do you think? I live in my own little world, but it's OK - they know me here...
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It’s unusual for a movie to add a new phrase to the language the way “Catch 22” did. Now almost everyone understands what is meant then the term is used.
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Here are three that immediately come to mind:
A Very Long Engagement by Sebastien Japrisot (WWI)
The Book Thief by Marcus Zusak (WWII)
1776 by David McCullough - not technically a novel, but a really fantastic nonfiction book about the beginning of the Revolutionary War.
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Commander Nicholas John Turney Monsarrat RNVR, "The Cruel Sea". Absolutely nothing to glorify war in this novel based on the author's own experiences during WW2 in the North Atlantic.
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Catch 22: the title of a novel, honored with idiom-hood.
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All Quiet on the Western Front(1979) starring lovable Richard Thomas.
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"The Dogs of War" written by Frederick Forsyth goodreads.com
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