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Joseph Glantz
Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:56:03 AM
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Interesting. Who originated the federal income tax. NOT Democrats. It was those darn Repubicans.

From Wikipedia

On June 16, 1909, President William Howard Taft (A Republican), in an address to Congress, proposed a 2% federal income tax on corporations by way of an excise tax and a constitutional amendment to allow the previously enacted income tax.

An income tax amendment to the Constitution was first proposed by Senator Norris Brown (A Republican) of Nebraska. He submitted two proposals, Senate Resolutions Nos. 25 and 39. The amendment proposal finally accepted was Senate Joint Resolution No. 40, introduced by Senator Nelson W. Aldrich (A Republican) of Rhode Island, the Senate majority leader and Finance Committee Chairman.

On July 12, 1909, the resolution proposing the Sixteenth Amendment was passed by the Sixty-first Congress and submitted to the state legislatures. Support for the income tax was strongest in the western states and opposition was strongest in the northeastern states.[

In 1910, New York Governor Charles Evans Hughes (A Republican), shortly before becoming a Supreme Court justice, spoke out against the income tax amendment. While he supported the idea of a federal income tax, Hughes believed the words "from whatever source derived" in the proposed amendment implied that the federal government would have the power to tax state and municipal bonds. He believed this would excessively centralize governmental power and "would make it impossible for the state to keep any property"

The presidential election of 1912 was contested between three advocates of an income tax.[20] Taft (A Repubican); Theodore Roosevelt (A Republican) and Woodrow Wilson (A Democrat)

On February 25, 1913, Secretary of State Philander Knox proclaimed that the amendment had been ratified by the necessary three-fourths of the states; thus, it had become part of the Constitution. The Revenue Act of 1913 was enacted shortly thereafter.

According to the United States Government Printing Office, the following states ratified the amendment:

1.Alabama (August 10, 1909)
2.Kentucky (February 8, 1910)
3.South Carolina (February 19, 1910)
4.Illinois (March 1, 1910)
5.Mississippi (March 7, 1910)
6.Oklahoma (March 10, 1910)
7.Maryland (April 8, 1910)
8.Georgia (August 3, 1910)
9.Texas (August 16, 1910)
10.Ohio (January 19, 1911)
11.Idaho (January 20, 1911)
12.Oregon (January 23, 1911)
13.Washington (January 26, 1911)
14.Montana (January 27, 1911)
15.Indiana (January 30, 1911)
16.California (January 31, 1911)
17.Nevada (January 31, 1911)
18.South Dakota (February 1, 1911)
19.Nebraska (February 9, 1911)
20.North Carolina (February 11, 1911)
21.Colorado (February 15, 1911)
22.North Dakota (February 17, 1911)
23.Michigan (February 23, 1911)
24.Iowa (February 24, 1911)
25.Kansas (March 2, 1911)
26.Missouri (March 16, 1911)
27.Maine (March 31, 1911)
28.Tennessee (April 7, 1911)
29.Arkansas (April 22, 1911), after having previously rejected the amendment
30.Wisconsin (May 16, 1911)
31.New York (July 12, 1911)
32.Arizona (April 3, 1912)
33.Minnesota (June 11, 1912)
34.Louisiana (June 28, 1912)
35.West Virginia (January 31, 1913)
36.Delaware (February 3, 1913)

Ratification (by the requisite 36 states) was completed on February 3, 1913 with the ratification by Delaware. The amendment was subsequently ratified by the following states, bringing the total number of ratifying states to forty-two of the forty-eight then existing:

37. New Mexico (February 3, 1913)
38. Wyoming (February 3, 1913)
39. New Jersey (February 4, 1913)
40. Vermont (February 19, 1913)
41. Massachusetts (March 4, 1913)
42. New Hampshire (March 7, 1913), after rejecting the amendment on March 2, 1911

The legislatures of the following states rejected the amendment without ever subsequently ratifying it:

Connecticut
Rhode Island
Utah
Virginia

The legislatures of the following states never considered the proposed amendment:

Florida
Pennsylvania- Hey - don't blame me. I'm from Pennsylvania
GabhSigenod
Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:40:23 AM

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Similar to the good old Roman Empire. Hope it works out better.

Off to Singapore for a spell!
Christine
Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:01:31 AM

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Sowing what you reap.

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Joseph Glantz
Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:44:20 AM
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Christine wrote:
Sowing what you reap.


Good correction. Thanks, Christine.
NancyLee
Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:04:57 PM

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One of my uncles had a story about the first time he had to pay the income tax..

It was in 1927 (plus or minus one year). He owed about $5.00. Three weeks after he filed his tax, the government sent him a thank you note. Every year after that when he filed he would wait for a note, but none ever came again. Boo hoo!

It was an isolated experience...memorable... Whistle




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jmacann
Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:30:33 PM
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No big surprise -it takes what it takes.
excaelis
Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:30:16 PM

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Joseph Glantz wrote:
Christine wrote:
Sowing what you reap.


Good correction. Thanks, Christine.


Yeah, that had me knitting my brows but, darn it, Christine beat me to it.

Sanity is not statistical
RuthP
Posted: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:23:49 AM
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excaelis wrote:
Joseph Glantz wrote:
Christine wrote:
Sowing what you reap.


Good correction. Thanks, Christine.


Yeah, that had me knitting my brows but, darn it, Christine beat me to it.

You could make a case for stitching together the products of your labor. Bit of a mixed metaphor, but I rather liked it. Whistle
excaelis
Posted: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:11:21 PM

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I admit it was something of a patchwork response, but I thought it contained some purls of wisdom.

Sanity is not statistical
IMcRout
Posted: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:33:49 AM

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Lacking moral fibre I'll have to put down my needles now and restrict myself to some woolgathering.

It seams as if this thread were now open to sewing my wild oats in texas? Pray

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Ray41
Posted: Saturday, October 22, 2011 7:10:36 AM

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Once you start paying taxes you are already 'stitched up' and spend the rest of 'taxing' days looking for 'loop' holes.Whistle

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Wanderer
Posted: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:03:03 PM

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Just a thought - It could also mean if you aren't willing to contribute to the general welfare, then you will reap that as well. We are a nation that ranks number one among all industrialized nations in child abuse and neglect. "Over the past 10 years, more than 20,000 American children are believed to have been killed in their own homes by family members. . . " This is from the BBC of Michael Petit the President of Every Child Matters. The statistics are horrifying to me. In the US we have the highest rate of child abuse in the industrial world. Every five hours a child dies in the US. It shows how there is a direct correlation between teen pregnancy, high-school dropout rates, violent crime, imprisonment and poverty, abuse and neglect. While we cut funding to various programs we fail to admit what these children endure. While we cut funding to various programs affecting the welfare of children surely, the examples of Texas and Vermont need to be studied. In one state the citizens refuse to tax themselves or their businesses and they have one of the highest rates of child abuse. They have 2nd to last average per capita income. They have higher drop-out rates, violence, imprisonment, and less social safety nets than the other state. The other state has some of the best test scores, less crime, less abuse and yes, higher taxes. One is a red state and one is blue. One is conservative and one is more progressive. Can you guess which is which?

I do agree think if loop holes were stitched up we might not have the mess we are in. It isn't paying taxes I mind. It is not being able to control the government that controls those taxes that gets me.
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