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prince
Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2019 2:16:42 PM
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I wish you told her about it / I wish you had told her about it.


Please explain which is appropriate to use.

Thank you




FounDit
Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2019 2:55:30 PM

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prince wrote:
I wish you told her about it / I wish you had told her about it.


Please explain which is appropriate to use.

Thank you


I wish you had told her about it.
This one is correct because it is a wish for something that was completed in the past - past perfect.



We should look to the past to learn from it, not destroy our future because of it — FounDit
prince
Posted: Friday, October 11, 2019 11:03:27 PM
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FounDit wrote:
prince wrote:
I wish you told her about it / I wish you had told her about it.


Please explain which is appropriate to use.

Thank you


I wish you had told her about it.
This one is correct because it is a wish for something that was completed in the past - past perfect.




I'm not convinced fully . Let's assume my father telling me that I should have told my mom about the tennis training tomorrow evening so that she would plan for groceries herself.: I wish you had told her about it ; about my tomorrow's training.
coag
Posted: Saturday, October 12, 2019 2:40:49 PM

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I read a couple of web pages (British Council, ESL/Base,English Grammar) about the use of "I wish" and my conclusion is this:
1) I wish you had told her. (I wanted you to tell her but you didn't do it.)
2) I wish you would tell her. (I would like you to tell her.)

It seems to me that I wish you told her is not used. But I don't understand what's grammatically wrong with this expression.
thar
Posted: Saturday, October 12, 2019 3:23:06 PM

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I hope you told her.

Here, there is no other action in the past (making it too late to tell her and therefore a hypothetical wish.)

I wish you had told her before she found out herself.
I wish you had told her before she died.
whatever the other event in the past, it is too late and becomes a wish.

But if there is no information on any action then that is unknown.
I hope you told her.
Yes, I did.
Or no I didn't.

I wish you had told her. That contains the meaning you didn't tell her.

You don't use a hypothetical wish for something that may actually already have happened. A wish is for something you know didn't happen.
If you don't know if it happened or not, that is a hope.
coag
Posted: Sunday, October 13, 2019 1:11:30 AM

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Thanks, thar, for your response.
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